Ched Evans moved?????

[Goldstone1976]

How sure are you? If it was the same with Twitter, the owners would be in jail - they must get around it somehow.

The law about whether the owner/editor/publisher of a social media site is liable in a potential defamation case is complex and fast moving, as a quick Google search would show you.

NSC has long taken the view that we'd rather not be a test case, having neither the time, money or inclination to defend a defamation suit brought by a claimant. Better safe than sorry, is the approach we're adopting.

As an aside, there are plenty of cases where claims have been made against Google, FB, Twitter, etc. Many have been thrown out; some have succeeded. We're not planning on being cutesy with E&W libel law and finding out where the boundaries are.

TL;DR: We're not interested in being 'sure' of NSC's ability to defend ourselves against a defamation case; we're instead interested in never having to find out.

Here's just one example exemplifying the complexities:


http://www.bwbllp.com/file/bwb-pandr-aut13-socialmedia-pdf

 

[BadFish]

There are the makings of a cautionary presentation to all young men and women from this case. It might start by saying "make sure you have at least spoken to each other first". Old fashioned, I know.

Remembering her name is downright chivalrous.

 

[Robot Chicken]

How sure are you? If it was the same with Twitter, the owners would be in jail - they must get around it somehow.

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[Uncle Spielberg]

You can't be found innocent in an English court.

Tell that to all the BBC reporters yesterday then who all referred to him as being found Innocent, anyway not guilty is innocent to me and most other people I would think

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Tell that to all the BBC reporters yesterday then who all referred to him as being found Innocent, anyway not guilty is innocent to me and most other people I would think

I suggest you read the link El Pres posted. It clearly, and simply, explains how not guilty does not mean innocent.

 

[ManOfSussex]

The William Hill Sports Book of the year for 2014 may be an enlightening read for some as a result of this case:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-sport-by-anna-krien-book-review-9697454.html

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Games-Journey-Dark-Sport/dp/0224100033

 

[Triggaaar]

Better safe than sorry, is the approach we're adopting.

Sounds pretty sensible.

TL;DR: We're not interested in being 'sure' of NSC's ability to defend ourselves against a defamation case; we're instead interested in never having to find out.

I quite agree. I was questioning Oxy McFloppie Tish's post, as he said Bozza was liable for any libel. I don't think Oxy knows that and I disagree, although I agree with the idea of removing posts just to be safe.

 

[drew]

Brighton get a mention in this Telegraph opinion piece on the case tonight. I bet Huddersfield are having a word with their midfielder who deserves the nickname "pencil" now for the rest of his life. Unbelievable stupidity despite the reversed conviction:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...just-how-sick-football-culture-in-britain-is/

Absolute joke of an article. Tarring the whole of football with the actions of a minority. That coming from someone who's colleagues paid to hack the phone of a dead girl. Perhaps we should think of all journalists as lowlife like that. As for the comment about the PFA teams he wasn't convicted until 20th April that is certainly long after ballot papers were returned (the ceremony was only 2 days later). The vote is not by the PFA but by fellow professionals!

 

[Triggaaar]

Absolute joke of an article.

Indeed. Skim reading it was enough for me.

 

[Aveacarlin']

Very interesting read (nothing libellous or defamatory - Just a straight forward explanation of how the verdict was reached):

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-case/

Very interesting. Thanks for the link

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[The Merry Prankster]

Tell that to all the BBC reporters yesterday then who all referred to him as being found Innocent, anyway not guilty is innocent to me and most other people I would think

I wouldn't and I don't think anyone who's ever spent anytime thinking about our legal system would. Perhaps the Scottish version of 'not proven' is clearer.

 

[Tooting Gull]

The law about whether the owner/editor/publisher of a social media site is liable in a potential defamation case is complex and fast moving, as a quick Google search would show you.

NSC has long taken the view that we'd rather not be a test case, having neither the time, money or inclination to defend a defamation suit brought by a claimant. Better safe than sorry, is the approach we're adopting.

As an aside, there are plenty of cases where claims have been made against Google, FB, Twitter, etc. Many have been thrown out; some have succeeded. We're not planning on being cutesy with E&W libel law and finding out where the boundaries are.

TL;DR: We're not interested in being 'sure' of NSC's ability to defend ourselves against a defamation case; we're instead interested in never having to find out.

Here's just one example exemplifying the complexities:


http://www.bwbllp.com/file/bwb-pandr-aut13-socialmedia-pdf

I think this is the NSC position outlined pretty accurately, and you can fully understand where Bozza/mods are coming from.

The one thing I would say, that this is missing, is that you it would be really good if one or more of the mods knew a bit more about libel.

The obvious reason for saying that is if you don't, you always 'play safe' and everything, even important stuff that might be the right side of the line, never sees the light of day and you get a very sanitised debate. If NSC had been around at the time of Belotti and Archer, this approach would have meant virtually none of the criticisms and concerns would have been aired.

It is not a criticism, just something to think about because the same is true of critical threads concerning the club, we don't want to get rid of everything that upsets Paul Barber, but we don't want genuine law suits. It's a balancing act.

 

[Beach Seagull]

Maybe it will come back after the mods have had a chance to edit it. Or maybe they don't have time, and it's just easier to remove it.

I think someone called him a rapist, which is libel. I didn't see much more than that, but there may have been. I'll give you a quick summary of the whole case though:

I was right all along.
I told you so.

So was I!!! Said back in Oct / Nov 2014 I believed him to be innocent. Nice to be proved correct!!! Would love to see CE up front for us.

 

[BensGrandad]

So was I!!! Said back in Oct / Nov 2014 I believed him to be innocent. Nice to be proved correct!!! Would love to see CE up front for us.

Not sure about that but I believe he will go to The Championship in January and then possibly the Wales squad.

 

[whitelion]

Not sure about that but I believe he will go to The Championship in January and then possibly the Wales squad.

Cardiff?

 

[Beach Seagull]

Not sure about that but I believe he will go to The Championship in January and then possibly the Wales squad.

I wish him well whatever he does. 4 years of lost earnings and maybe the chance to play for Wales in the euros.

 

[Honky Tonx]

I hope all of those who laid into Ched Evans now have the balls and decency to stand up and apologise. It's very easy to wade in on a social media site, such as NSC, and have a go and then when proven wrong simply simply disappear behind a veil of silence. If the original Guilty verdict had been upheld, would the original thread topic, so widely debated, have been taken down/moved? I doubt it.

 

[BBassic]

Very interesting read (nothing libellous or defamatory - Just a straight forward explanation of how the verdict was reached):

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2016/10/14/10-myths-busted-about-the-ched-evans-case/

That was genuinely interesting. Good link.

 

[BBassic]

Tell that to all the BBC reporters yesterday then who all referred to him as being found Innocent, anyway not guilty is innocent to me and most other people I would think

Same here until five minutes ago when I read the link Eggmundo and El Pres posted.

 

[drew]

I hope all of those who laid into Ched Evans now have the balls and decency to stand up and apologise. It's very easy to wade in on a social media site, such as NSC, and have a go and then when proven wrong simply simply disappear behind a veil of silence. If the original Guilty verdict had been upheld, would the original thread topic, so widely debated, have been taken down/moved? I doubt it.

As I said repeatedly on the original thread, the evidence available, in my opinion, meant that he should never have been convicted in the first place, ie beyond reasonable doubt but to be fair, his laddish behaviour that night remains inexcusable, especially as he was already in a relationship.