[Football] Cheating...we simply have to improve

[sydney]

Cheats prosper in football as we all know.

Would like to see the club now fine players who don’t try to hook the ball against an opponents arm when in a harmless part of the penalty box; or go down under any near contact. As well as actual contact. Should be drilled into players during training sessions. Before anyone says, but what about VAR...have you NOT been watching?! It makes no difference, the goons in charge still don’t notice.

Also, we need to do far more time wasting, getting in the refs face, manhandling them even, abusing other players to wind them up, take a throw in forty yards further up the line, don’t give the ball back or kick it out if someone’s down etc. It might be against the general spirit of the game but feck it, football lost its integrity a long time ago so we must become more savvy. Cheat in other words.

Thoughts? I would simply love us to be universally loathed because of our “gamesmanship”, it’s something we simply have to improve at and should be coached.

Connolly had a half decent shout for a pen waved away ......he made the best of it , the ref just wasn't interested , it was just as much a pen as batshitts.

 

[vegster]

Cheats prosper in football as we all know.

Would like to see the club now fine players who don’t try to hook the ball against an opponents arm when in a harmless part of the penalty box; or go down under any near contact. As well as actual contact. Should be drilled into players during training sessions. Before anyone says, but what about VAR...have you NOT been watching?! It makes no difference, the goons in charge still don’t notice.

Also, we need to do far more time wasting, getting in the refs face, manhandling them even, abusing other players to wind them up, take a throw in forty yards further up the line, don’t give the ball back or kick it out if someone’s down etc. It might be against the general spirit of the game but feck it, football lost its integrity a long time ago so we must become more savvy. Cheat in other words.

Thoughts? I would simply love us to be universally loathed because of our “gamesmanship”, it’s something we simply have to improve at and should be coached.

We are Brighton and Hove Albion, not Burnley.

 

[Icy Gull]

You obviously haven’t noticed that it’s starting to happen. Biss stopped a breakaway with a blatant trip. Got booked for it though, needs to be more subtle and learn how to look all innocent with arms out and pleading eyes, then he’d just give away the free kick. It’s a start though

 

[DJ NOBO]

Cheats prosper in football as we all know.

Would like to see the club now fine players who don’t try to hook the ball against an opponents arm when in a harmless part of the penalty box; or go down under any near contact. As well as actual contact. Should be drilled into players during training sessions. Before anyone says, but what about VAR...have you NOT been watching?! It makes no difference, the goons in charge still don’t notice.

Also, we need to do far more time wasting, getting in the refs face, manhandling them even, abusing other players to wind them up, take a throw in forty yards further up the line, don’t give the ball back or kick it out if someone’s down etc. It might be against the general spirit of the game but feck it, football lost its integrity a long time ago so we must become more savvy. Cheat in other words.

Thoughts? I would simply love us to be universally loathed because of our “gamesmanship”, it’s something we simply have to improve at and should be coached.

‘Cheating’ is an extreme way of putting it. it’s about mastering the dark arts as well as our competitors. Murray And Stephens could do it very well. Connolly has an appreciation of it, although he still has the L Plates on. Maupay is good at it. Most of the others Are honest as the day is long, bless em.
You say football has lost its integrity a long time ago - In terms of getting away with foul play, do you think it ever had it? Certainly not in the 70s when Revie’s Leeds won the title that way.
I think it comes down to how our players are coached. For all its qualities, there’s a lack of top level know-how in the Coaching set-up and it shows.

 

[father_and_son]

It’s not all about diving though is it? So many other ways you can cheat that reap rewards. Flicking the ball up to touch an opponents hand in the penalty box or aiming the ball at their hand even if they’re not blocking the goal. Simulate fouls that haven’t happened etc. I’d definitely like to see our players surround the ref and jostle / try to intimidate. Works for others. Why not give it a go? Probably good for six points a season. If we’re to take advantage of the dickheads officiating games these days, we need to improve our cheating.

My objection still stands. I don't follow the Albion for the results.

 

[ShanklySeagull]

Learning to shoot accurately would be better. 85% of all our shots yesterday were off target. That needs to change.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Learning to shoot accurately would be better. 85% of all our shots yesterday were off target. That needs to change.

I think I'm right in saying that 55% were off target and 30% were blocked.
We need coaching on shooting first time. We are way too ponderous in front of goal.

Giving premier league defences the opportunity to block is a mistake we make too often.
Solly and Maupay both guilty of holding on for a better opportunity that frankly, isn't going to come.

 

[Sheebo]

Rather not thanks. I'll take the consequences of playing entertaining, decent football rather than watch us dive our way to PL survival.

Yep - let’s leave that to the new American franchise clubs like CPFC2010.

 

[Sheebo]

Connolly had a half decent shout for a pen waved away ......he made the best of it , the ref just wasn't interested , it was just as much a pen as batshitts.

I’d say more. Would have been soft but seen them given. The guy shoved him in the back twice and the second one is enough for him to fall over in the direction the shove was. Theirs was quite simply a dive. A hand touched him and he jumped back. Joke.

 

[nwgull]

Connolly had a half decent shout for a pen waved away ......he made the best of it , the ref just wasn't interested , it was just as much a pen as batshitts.

It was FAR more of a pen - although the ref and his VAR had set a low bar.

 

[Berty23]

I don’t want us to start cheating, sadly it will cost us.

Obvious examples yesterday
1) burn at the wrestling corner could hardly jump due to a beat hug, if he goes down instead of jumping it would be pen
2) dunk going for header second half could have not gone for the header and gone down because Cahill was all over him
3) lamptey could have hit the floor from the headbutt (that wasn’t a headbutt)

Three examples where we were apparently too honest.

In other matches, dunk vs Man U needed to complain to ref about the foul before his own goal etc.

 

[nwgull]

I agree with [MENTION=663]portlock seagull[/MENTION] on this. The referees have laid down a marker for the season and that's unlikely to change. We need to go down far more easily in the box and have 1-2 senior players be in the ref's ear for 90 mins.

I'd prefer for the penalties not to be awarded so easily, but we're going to see loads this season, and we need to make sure we get our fair share. Blame the laws and those upholding the laws; don't blame the players.

 

[sydney]

I agree with [MENTION=663]portlock seagull[/MENTION] on this. The referees have laid down a marker for the season and that's unlikely to change. We need to go down far more easily in the box and have 1-2 senior players be in the ref's ear for 90 mins.

I'd prefer for the penalties not to be awarded so easily, but we're going to see loads this season, and we need to make sure we get our fair share. Blame the laws and those upholding the laws; don't blame the players.

yep if thats what it's going to take .....Llana was chirpy enough but once again we are the victim of thoroughly inconsistent refereeing.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I think the benefits of appealing for fouls are far greater since the introduction of VAR. And we're not very good at it IMO.

Did you see United when Maupay handballed it? They went mental.

Did you see us when Maguire pulled Dunk over before their goal?. Nothing at all. Not a peep. Dunky was so furious that the ball was in the net he didn't appeal. I think if, as a team we go full on ashes mental howzat, even if one player feels he's been fouled, we put VAR in a position to check.

So more of that, and less of Connoly going down at every bloody opportunity. Solly is also getting a bit embarrassing. He's just not good at diving.

Less cheating, more using VAR for what it's meant for.

 

[blue-shifted]

Cheats prosper in football as we all know.

Would like to see the club now fine players who don’t try to hook the ball against an opponents arm when in a harmless part of the penalty box; or go down under any near contact. As well as actual contact. Should be drilled into players during training sessions. Before anyone says, but what about VAR...have you NOT been watching?! It makes no difference, the goons in charge still don’t notice.

Also, we need to do far more time wasting, getting in the refs face, manhandling them even, abusing other players to wind them up, take a throw in forty yards further up the line, don’t give the ball back or kick it out if someone’s down etc. It might be against the general spirit of the game but feck it, football lost its integrity a long time ago so we must become more savvy. Cheat in other words.

Thoughts? I would simply love us to be universally loathed because of our “gamesmanship”, it’s something we simply have to improve at and should be coached.

I want my club to reflect my values. If that sends us down the leagues, so be it

 

[blue-shifted]

Cheating exists because it works.

It works because the level of officiating is pitifully bad (and the dogs dinner of VAR is not helping)

The level of officiating is pitifully bad for two reasons. 1) Managers send their players out to dive and cheat. This is clearly worked on in the week. The same managers are livid when it happens to their team. 2) Referees are terrified of having big club managers (Klopp, Mourinho etc) slate their performance in the media, so they weight their decisions very heavily in favour of the team they most want to avoid criticism from.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Yup, and Ashley Young for a spell. Refs get briefed, you become a 'marked man' for refs to expect it, till it gets to the point where you'd have to be mowed down by a combine harvester to get a decision. The SEGW has had an element of this too, often to comical effect and some lump-in-the-throat watery-eyed post match interviews. But its all of his own making.

Don't become that, Aaron.

Firstly, I don't think I have ever seen a combine harvesteron a football pitch during a match, certainly not in the Premier League.
Secondly, I think far from a penalty, there should gave been a booking yesterday for simulation. It seemed to me clear that the Palace player (was it Zaha?) Made his mind up to fall over even after Lamptey had stopped touching him.

 

[The Wizard]

It amazes me to this day how referees fall for antics of teams, Palace literally do the same thing every game they are leading, in the first 10 minutes of the second half they had 3 players down injured in apparent agony, all 3 players then played on like nothing happened.

I don’t like cheating, but I do think we need to become more adept at the dark arts if we are to prosper, every other team does it. Their penalty was a prime example, he falls down like he’s been snipered at the slightest contact, Dunk gets wrestled at a corner and jumped on whilst attempting to header the ball by Cahill and nobody bats an eyelid. Unfortunately it’s a case of the majority of the time if you don’t go down, you don’t get.

 

[zefarelly]

Cheating exists because it works.

It works because the level of officiating is pitifully bad (and the dogs dinner of VAR is not helping)

The level of officiating is pitifully bad for two reasons. 1) Managers send their players out to dive and cheat. This is clearly worked on in the week. The same managers are livid when it happens to their team. 2) Referees are terrified of having big club managers (Klopp, Mourinho etc) slate their performance in the media, so they weight their decisions very heavily in favour of the team they most want to avoid criticism from.

Such a cynical view . . . I completely agree with

As I've said before, football officiating is about as professional as Estate agency and second hand car sales

I've watched games with an old family friend in the past ( now long Since retired) he was a good ref for over 20 years, at County leve. H e didn't take any shit. His games were generally very good to watch.

Refs should meet the managers before the game and say, right, I'm playing it like this . . . No hugs at corners, no diving, **** VAR, I'm in charge . . . Tell your players the rules are to the letter of the law or it WILL end up 8 a side. As long as he/she's consistent to their word they will soon buck up

Yesterdays penalty was a dive, COnnolly dived, he should have tried to get a shot away, or gone down immediately he was challenged/fouled.

 

[Grombleton]

It amazes me to this day how referees fall for antics of teams, Palace literally do the same thing every game they are leading, in the first 10 minutes of the second half they had 3 players down injured in apparent agony, all 3 players then played on like nothing happened.

I don’t like cheating, but I do think we need to become more adept at the dark arts if we are to prosper, every other team does it. Their penalty was a prime example, he falls down like he’s been snipered at the slightest contact, Dunk gets wrestled at a corner and jumped on whilst attempting to header the ball by Cahill and nobody bats an eyelid. Unfortunately it’s a case of the majority of the time if you don’t go down, you don’t get.

Agreed.

I noticed another thing when watching the Villa/Leicester match last night - not 'cheating' as such buy Sock Boy gave away a foul, then decided to just walk off with the ball, only giving it back when he was in position and Leicester couldn't use any positional advantage.

I know its not strictly 'cheating', but it does **** me off when players do that - you gave away a foul, don't go near the ****ing ball until the kick is taken, simple as.