Cheat to Compete?

[Don Parasol]

Going back to the discussion of 'motor mouth players', I can't stand these tactics either but fear we'll have to get more involved In this type of thing as that's the game now at the top level.

Did anyone see nacho Monreal going berserk at the ref yesterday for ages after the penalty on Kane? Obviously the ref wasn't going to change his mind , a lot of this is players looking to influence the game later on - the incessant pressure piles up on the ref to help sway them on close calls later.... And shortly afterwards the ref didn't give Spurs a second penalty after Sanchez clearly handles.

I did hear something mooted around a rule change recently - I.e only captains being allowed to talk to the ref. I expect its unlikely but I'd be well in favour.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Cheat to compete.

This topic has just been spoken about on TalkShite.
Only it was called 'win at all costs'
About giving players one match bans for diving.
Never going to happen IMO.
You'll only really get away with it, if you've had specialist training from Tom Daley.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Whilst I agree with the basis of your comments about refs, not sure why you are having a go about the totting up system. <snip>

Taken from the Fifa Laws of the Game. https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fo.../92/44/laws.of.the.game.2016.2017_neutral.pdf
page 85

Cautionable offences<snip>
• persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game (no specific number or
pattern of infringements constitutes “persistent”)


I apologise. I admit that I was spouting off in a fit of pique with only a nebulous grasp of the facts.

Till next time . . . .

 

[Dr. No]

Calling [MENTION=34942]Dr. No[/MENTION]

No.

 

[The_Viper]

Until they bring in video refs and retrospective punishments it's unfortunately a part of the game and we have to get up to speed and give as good as we get. Too much money at stake not to.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The Courtino incident last week (and countless others) demonstrate why the rules of football, or the officiating of football encourage 'exaggeration'. He was definitely fouled inside the box, tried to stay on his feet and get a shot off, which was weak because of the foul. But that cannot be bought back for a penalty. Had he gone down, he gets a pen.

Thing is, diving for a penalty is not a new thing. Multiple camera angles, high quality slow motion etc. enable us to see it and review it these days, but centre forwards have been going down for penalties since I was watching football from the late 70s onward.

 

[Icy Gull]

We spent years knowing that FIFA was corrupt on a massive scale and wondering why sod all was done about it. We are likely to spend years wondering why something as simple as a video ref in the form of Rugby Union has not already been implemented. I haven't heard a single good reason why, especially at the top end of the game, this can't be done. The benefits would be massive and it would clean up the cheating in just a month or two.

Maybe an NSC sage can tell me why it's a problem?

 

[pasty]

We spent years knowing that FIFA was corrupt on a massive scale and wondering why sod all was done about it. We are likely to spend years wondering why something as simple as a video ref in the form of Rugby Union has not already been implemented. I haven't heard a single good reason why, especially at the top end of the game, this can't be done. The benefits would be massive and it would clean up the cheating in just a month or two.

Maybe an NSC sage can tell me why it's a problem?

I don't disagree with you, but I believe the arguments against video refs in football have centered around the flow of the game. For example, an attacking player goes down in the area and the on field ref does not give a penalty. The ball breaks to the defending team, and they launch an immediate counter attack and score. At what point does the on field ref stop play to check if the original attacker fouled or not?

 

[Nixonator]

I don't disagree with you, but I believe the arguments against video refs in football have centered around the flow of the game. For example, an attacking player goes down in the area and the on field ref does not give a penalty. The ball breaks to the defending team, and they launch an immediate counter attack and score. At what point does the on field ref stop play to check if the original attacker fouled or not?

Not only that, think of offside calls. As soon as the flag goes up players stop, so they would need to be retrained to carry on playing and decisions checked after. If an attacker was offside and a goal is not the result, but the attacking team retain their pressure and eventually score, is the game stopped and brought back? It will **** the flow of the game up completely.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Under Poyet, our play took diving to a new level. The frustration of watching Barnes in particular fall to the floor, throw his arm up at the ref, not get a free kick and do exactly the same thing minutes later frustrated the living shit out of me.

I'm convinced we didn't get the rub of the green with refs at the time (I'm thinking year 1 Championship) because we spent so much time pissing refs off.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Not only that, think of offside calls. As soon as the flag goes up players stop, so they would need to be retrained to carry on playing and decisions checked after. .

See the flag, hear the whistle, but get the shot away just in case the decision is overturned on review...

...and get BOOKED for 'kicking the ball away'.

 

[Icy Gull]

I don't disagree with you, but I believe the arguments against video refs in football have centered around the flow of the game. For example, an attacking player goes down in the area and the on field ref does not give a penalty. The ball breaks to the defending team, and they launch an immediate counter attack and score. At what point does the on field ref stop play to check if the original attacker fouled or not?

Fair comments, so it would only be used for controversial incidents that stop play. The video ref could also look at diving or any other incidents such as off the ball shenanigans during play and advise the ref who could then red/yellow card the offending player within a minute or so. They should at least try and work in video reffing where practical imo.