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Charlie Oatway leaves 'by mutual consent'







Acker79

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The fact his suspension was lifted would suggest there was no case to answer. Of course it could me he held up his hand apologised and that was accepted!

When was his suspension lifted? He has left the club, nothing suggests there "was no case to answer".

I believe ninja is a little confused. The exoneration drew is talking about is taricco's, not charlie's
 


Tubby-McFat-Fuc

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Is it fair to assume, given this is the same sort of goodbye taricco got and not the same one gus got, that he was cleared of whatever's he as accused of?
It is.
 


Tubby-McFat-Fuc

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I don't think he'll get his proper goodbye until his appeal (if lodged) fails (if it does). Could be wrong.
I think when Poyet finally goes, his goodbye, if any, will be one of the briefest to the point statements the club has ever made.
 


Tubby-McFat-Fuc

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I'm assuming that means after 14 years service, they have given him the dignity of saying mutual consent. Instead of sacking him like Poyet. Which is fair enough.
I think the main reason its ended like it has for Charlie, is with the new management/coaching team, he is surplus to requirements, just as Tanno was. I would like to think the reason Charlies was announced now and not with Tanno, is because they may have been finding a way of slotting him back in somewhere, but don't know that for sure. Although I am 100% with the club with how they treated Poyet, I think they have been a tad harsh on Charlie, but with a new manager/coach, this was alway likely to happen anyway.
 




BigGully

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Well the club are not pursuing it, might not mean that the club do not think he acted inappropriately, who knows.

Perhaps the club would rather there be a less controversial ending, it is his testimonial year etc.

Perhaps Oatway did absolutely nothing and the club were at fault and have compensated him accordingly.

Either way it ends the saga and the club can move forward, thats what deals are for.
 


Mellotron

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The fact he's leaving by mutual consent would suggest both parties are happy to keep whatever happened under wraps for a price. So not really "cleared of all charges", otherwise he would be due the full payment of his contract.
 






Mellotron

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Although I am 100% with the club with how they treated Poyet, I think they have been a tad harsh on Charlie, but with a new manager/coach, this was alway likely to happen anyway.

What nonsense. You have no clue what either Charlie or Gus did so you're just basing this on how much you like each of them. Silly.
 


chucky1973

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one of my all time fav members of Brighton. TOP TOP Bloke and gutted he has gone in this manor.

cheers for everything Charlie
 


Ninja Elephant

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Thanks. You do wonder whether some of the others actually follow the news from the club or maybe they just have the memory of the proverbial goldfish!

I believe ninja is a little confused. The exoneration drew is talking about is taricco's, not charlie's

Yep, hands up, I misread the original post. I had o go back and read the posts twice to work out how Taricco snuck into this thread but I'm back now!

I think the main reason its ended like it has for Charlie, is with the new management/coaching team, he is surplus to requirements, just as Tanno was. I would like to think the reason Charlies was announced now and not with Tanno, is because they may have been finding a way of slotting him back in somewhere, but don't know that for sure. Although I am 100% with the club with how they treated Poyet, I think they have been a tad harsh on Charlie, but with a new manager/coach, this was alway likely to happen anyway.

You're probably completely wrong. I'd imagine he was probably going to leave with a new team coming in, but I don't think that they've just brushed the suspension under the carpet. If what I, and many others, have heard about this whole situation is true then I suspect they've struggled to prove the charges and have come to an agreement which removes him from the club but also doesn't publically accuse him of something which can't be taken back. I doubt we're ever going to know the truth entirely though.
 




BigGully

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Clearly this the outcome we were all expecting, but after Dick Knight Argus interview last week where he was highly critical of the club's treatment of Oatway I was hoping for some further clarification.

If Charlie is in the clear I'd certainly hope the club would have announced that, like they did with Tanno. You have to assume that the club still think he breached his contract and is guilty of something. This is Dean Wilkins Mark 2.

Bit more straight forward with Wilkins, I do not think that anyone suggested that Wilkins might have breached his contract, or was guilty of something, he was sacked and his job given to another.
 


The Club made a big deal out of saying that they were dealing will all three of the suspended management team by following UK employment law.

Charlie was dealt with through a disciplinary procedure, which has now concluded with NO finding that any alleged offence warranted dismissal. On the "innocent until proved guilty" principle that applies as much to employment law as any other legal process, Charlie is innocent.

The Club should say so.
 


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Titanic

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The Club made a big deal out of saying that they were dealing will all three of the suspended management team by following UK employment law.

Charlie was dealt with through a disciplinary procedure, which has now concluded with NO finding that any alleged offence warranted dismissal. On the "innocent until proved guilty" principle that applies as much to employment law as any other legal process, Charlie is innocent.

The Club should say so.

If Charlie is happy with 'mutual consent' and well-wishes for his future... why shouldn't we be?
 


Beach Hut

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I am sure Lenny Rider will reveal all at some point
 


soistes

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which has now concluded with NO finding that any alleged offence warranted dismissal.

I'm not sure we have sufficient information to draw this conclusion, do we?
I have come across several examples of disciplinary cases which involved proven offences which warranted dismissal, but where the outcome, for various reasons, was a mutual consent departure (often with a compromise agreement prohibiting either party from divulging details).
 


Tubby-McFat-Fuc

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What nonsense. You have no clue what either Charlie or Gus did so you're just basing this on how much you like each of them. Silly.
The only thing silly is that comment. Your completely wrong about basing my view on how much I like each of them, as I don't have a lot of time for either of them to be honest. I don't think Oatway was the best appointment at the time, but as usual Gus got everything he wanted when he first came here. I know some see Charlie as a legend, and he is probably a really nice bloke and a joker, but first team coach of a championship side.... nah. A lot of people know roughly what happened in this saga, so to say no one has a clue is a little sad. If/when it all comes out, people on here expecting a big juicy story are going to feel a little deflated.
 




somerset

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which has now concluded with NO finding that any alleged offence warranted dismissal.
.

Did you just make that up LB?.... I find no evidence that the club or the tribunal have reached that conclusion. There could have easily been grounds for dismissal, however the club might simply have made him an offer on the back of his years of service,.... why do people read between the lines to get their 'facts'. What we do know is, there are no facts in the public domain.
 


Tubby-McFat-Fuc

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The Club made a big deal out of saying that they were dealing will all three of the suspended management team by following UK employment law.

Charlie was dealt with through a disciplinary procedure, which has now concluded with NO finding that any alleged offence warranted dismissal. On the "innocent until proved guilty" principle that applies as much to employment law as any other legal process, Charlie is innocent.

The Club should say so.
Just throwing one out here, but maybe even if found innoccent, there was no place any more for Charlie, so they drew a line under it, and paid him off just like they did Tano, just as happens in football over and over again.

Agreed though, the club should have made a better statement and referred to his suspension.

But at the end of the day, he has mutually agreed to leave, so must be happy as he can be with the outcome, otherwise why not go the same route as Poyet?
 


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