Charlie Oatway leaves 'by mutual consent'

[Westdene Seagull]

"But he certainly wasn't innocent of the charges" - that's quite some claim you're making, considering you're scared to say what the charges actually are.

I find it quite unsavoury they've just left this suspension hanging without any conclusion to it, its smearing his character without having to prove anything.

Agreed. I do find it rather strange that Ninja Elephant is quite happy to say he wasn't innocent despite there being no evidence that he was guilty. Now he's been effectively found not guilty NE's reluctance to say what the charges were just smacks of "I know something you don't".

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I think some people's judgement is clouded by their understandable admiration for what CO has done for the club over nearly 14 years.

And other peoples is clouded by thinking that someone that stumped up the best part of £150m can do no wrong.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Yes, I'm married to a solicitor. What was it you did again ?

International assassin.

Agreed. I do find it rather strange that Ninja Elephant is quite happy to say he wasn't innocent despite there being no evidence that he was guilty. Now he's been effectively found not guilty NE's reluctance to say what the charges were just smacks of "I know something you don't".

I'm not saying he was guilty, or not guilty. I simply don't know. I know what was alleged, it was posted here a long time ago as well so I am not alone in knowing that. And I know what someone involved in the investigation thought, or claims to have thought. Your interpretation is that he has been "effectively" found not-guilty. That isn't really the case.

As I said previously, without anyone being able to discuss it properly, it is all interpretation and opinion. The mutual agreement is ultimately the simplest solution in my uneducated, unintilligent and irrational opinion. Take it or leave it.

 

[Footsoldier]

And other peoples is clouded by thinking that someone that stumped up the best part of £150m can do no wrong.

He can do what he likes and as far as I'm concerned he is right all the time.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

He can do what he likes and as far as I'm concerned he is right all the time.

And there in lies the danger !

 

[Footsoldier]

And there in lies the danger !

No danger as far as I can see.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No danger as far as I can see.

So theoretically, if Bloom decided out and sold to say, Harry Redknapp you'd support that ? NEVER take your eye off the money men.

 

[Titanic]

And there in lies the danger !

Danger? Oh FFS!

 

[drew]

Agreed. I do find it rather strange that Ninja Elephant is quite happy to say he wasn't innocent despite there being no evidence that he was guilty. Now he's been effectively found not guilty NE's reluctance to say what the charges were just smacks of "I know something you don't".

How do you know what evidence there was. Are you COs solicitor or on his legal team? I doubt it which means you don't know what the investigation found ergo you don't know whether he was guilty or not. I would suggest that to most people he is not 'effectively not guilty' as his suspension was never lifted before he left.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

He can do what he likes and as far as I'm concerned he is right all the time.

Or until he decides to sell out to some sheikh or oligarch.

 

[Footsoldier]

Or until he decides to sell out to some sheikh or oligarch.

He won't will he? He's already stated publicly that he wants to leave it to his son. The blooms have been involved in the Albion for decades and that isn't unlikely to change in my life time.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Your conclusion about no charges is ridiculous. If that was the case then the club would have lifted the suspension exactly as they did with Tanno. He could then still have left on a mutual basis.


You make it sound like this is a criminal investigation and they have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. This is, if anything, merely a civil matter where the burden of proof is 'on the balance of probabilities, ie on a scale of 1 to 100 that could 51 to 49!


You don't know what the club have proved. The fact that the suspension wasn't lifted as it was with Tanno would suggest that there were grounds for keeping it in place. The outcome may well save face for both sides but we will probably never know for certain what was and what wasn't proved in the file.


As I said above, why did they not lift the suspension as they did with Tanno then go their separate ways. I think some people's judgement is clouded by their understandable admiration for what CO has done for the club over nearly 14 years.

Nonsense really. If they had proved it they would have fired him. No other explanation makes sense.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Nonsense really. If they had proved it they would have fired him. No other explanation makes sense.

If he was "guilty" but agreed to go with no pay off the, as others have suggested, the club may have recognised his long service, loss of testimonial and popularity with the fans by letting him go the "mutual consent" route. Thereby not causing him further damage.

I'm not saying that happened but to deny it as a possibility would be wrong.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

How do you know what evidence there was. Are you COs solicitor or on his legal team? I doubt it which means you don't know what the investigation found ergo you don't know whether he was guilty or not. I would suggest that to most people he is not 'effectively not guilty' as his suspension was never lifted before he left.

"His suspension was never lifted before he left"?

He has left. His relationship with his employer has ceased. His ex-employer is in no position to "lift" a suspension.

If that is supposed to be an argument for assuming that the investigation must have found the charges substantiated, I'm gob-smacked.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

If he was "guilty" but agreed to go with no pay off the, as others have suggested, the club may have recognised his long service, loss of testimonial and popularity with the fans by letting him go the "mutual consent" route. Thereby not causing him further damage.

I'm not saying that happened but to deny it as a possibility would be wrong.

If the club wanted to "recognise his long service, loss of testimonial and popularity with the fans" they would have terminated his contract with mutual consent long before suspending him and spending six weeks investigating him.

Ok, I'll leave it open as a possibility, but if its true it paints the club as unbelievably incompetent

 

[The Merry Prankster]

If the club wanted to "recognise his long service, loss of testimonial and popularity with the fans" they would have terminated his contract with mutual consent long before suspending him and spending six weeks investigating him.

Ok, I'll leave it open as a possibility, but if its true it paints the club as unbelievably incompetent

No they wouldn't because they wouldn't have got to the point where they could prove his "guilt" or him accept his "guilt" until the investigation had been completed.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Of course there has been a pay-off.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

No they wouldn't because they wouldn't have got to the point where they could prove his "guilt" or him accept his "guilt" until the investigation had been completed.

I don't understand your point. If you're going to go through the effort to establish someone's guilt, you might as well act on that at the end. If the point is to prove him guilty, but then not sack him because he's a good bloke, I really don't see the point of doing the investigation in the first place

 

[Footsoldier]

Of course there has been a pay-off.

Is they why Tanno and Oatway have gone so soon because they liked the deal that they were offered but the club are bulking at paying Poyet off?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

A elderly loon with a northern accent approached us as we left Whitehawk's ground this afternoon with the startling revelation that Oatway is off to Palace.

Judging by the rest of his incoherent rant, I'm not treating him as an absolutely impeccable source, but just thought you'd all like to know