Charlie Hebdo - merged

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I watched that from start to finish and I thought it was very good. He makes a good case. Shame it doesn't run long enough to see the Q&A afterward. Would like to see that. But yes, he is a much misunderstood man.

That is quite upsetting. He explains himself well. He's completely stuffed, though. In a much more parochial context (my work, which is academic, literally as well as metaphorically), my experience is, if you have something to say that nobody wants to hear, one false move and the 'establishment' comes down like a ton of bricks. I'm a lot more careful with my words and deeds than he's been, but even so, sometimes you just can't win. Nice to see he's working with Quillian now. Sadly, in his case, going gently to build concensus may be too hard, and I would imagine the anger and frustration may spill over with very adverse consequences for him. That's a pity.

 

[bWize]

cant believe you have gone down this road.
this is not a Hollywood film set
not all gunshot wounds bleed profusely, perhaps have a read up on gunshot wounds and internal bleeding.

then have a quick chat with yourself.

Maybe he has a point? http://nodisinfo.com/hard-proof-terrorist-attack-france-absolute-hoax/

Why should he 'have a chat with himself' just because he questions something thats being spoon fed to him on the TV/Media? There is a lot going on behind the scenes in my opinion and is very hard to take some of this stuff at face value in these weird times.

I was very suspicious about the Boston bombings as there were so many inconsistencies that couldn't be explained. There is a clear agenda being pushed and I'm not entirely convinced it's the Muslims that are pushing it...

 

[Soulman]

I watched that from start to finish and I thought it was very good. He makes a good case. Shame it doesn't run long enough to see the Q&A afterward. Would like to see that. But yes, he is a much misunderstood man.

I am glad you watched it through and agree that a Q&A afterwards would have been interesting.

 

[Soulman]

That is quite upsetting. He explains himself well. He's completely stuffed, though. In a much more parochial context (my work, which is academic, literally as well as metaphorically), my experience is, if you have something to say that nobody wants to hear, one false move and the 'establishment' comes down like a ton of bricks. I'm a lot more careful with my words and deeds than he's been, but even so, sometimes you just can't win. Nice to see he's working with Quillian now. Sadly, in his case, going gently to build concensus may be too hard, and I would imagine the anger and frustration may spill over with very adverse consequences for him. That's a pity.

Exactly. After speaking very recently to someone very close to him your fears could be real.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

just because he questions something thats being spoon fed to him on the TV/Media?

What coverage on the day do you think were spoon-fed ? Do you think some actual events of the day were stage-managed, and if so which ones ?

 

[The Spanish]

Attila beat him to pseuds corner back on the first page.

That's the best thing I have ever read on here.

 

[Bozza]

Fearing the end-game in this particular incident could turn into another blood-bath, as the two guys believe to be responsible and on the run are going to be difficult to take alive.

Sounds like it's starting to approach a conclusion now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30740115

 

[Insel affe]

I watched that from start to finish and I thought it was very good. He makes a good case. Shame it doesn't run long enough to see the Q&A afterward. Would like to see that. But yes, he is a much misunderstood man.

I watched it through to the end and thought he came over as obviously not a very good speaker, but honest and he did come over someone who actually cares about his community along with Stacy Dooley. The bit about the grooming was very worrying, and it all too easy for people in white suburbia to attack and brandish people as racist when they voice concerns you have to live there to experience the pressures and unease before you can condemn anyone. having lived in London and Rusholme I have witnessed something's that people just do not or will not understand and that is sometimes racial tensions are not only a white instigated problem. We should be all be able to live together in perfect harmony as someone once said, as hard as we try in reality we can't because of outside influences by people or groups with ulterior motives or beliefs.

forgive me I am just a normal person speaking about what I have seen and my life experiences, it may sound like old tosh or crap to many of you.

 

[Hugo Rune]

The suspects are now involved in a car chase (with guns) with the French security services. Bearing in mind how tooled up they are, I'd recommend the pursuers use an M1117 Armored Security Vehicle to chase them down. They're fast, stable at speed and should be able to withstand a rocket launched grenade attack unless a direct hit occurs.

 

[JCL666]

Fearing the end-game in this particular incident could turn into another blood-bath, as the two guys believe to be responsible and on the run are going to be difficult to take alive.

Sounds like it's starting to approach a conclusion now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30740115

Slightly more on the telegraph live feed.

They've apparently taken a hostage.

Horrible.

 

[Hillian1]

Fearing the end-game in this particular incident could turn into another blood-bath, as the two guys believe to be responsible and on the run are going to be difficult to take alive.

Sounds like it's starting to approach a conclusion now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30740115

Hostages taken now according to Sky.

This will not end well.

 

[vegster]

The bad boys have broken cover, lets hope that this can be over without any more loss of life.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The suspects are now involved in a car chase (with guns) with the French security services. Bearing in mind how tooled up they are, I'd recommend the pursuers use an M1117 Armored Security Vehicle to chase them down. They're fast, stable at speed and should be able to withstand a rocket launched grenade attack unless a direct hit occurs.

I should give them a call.

 

[pastafarian]

Yep, and footage.

I see last night Hannity and his chums dissected exactly what Choudary had said,its a fairly tired format but keeps the yanks happy.Some people hate that he gets any airtime or is even linked in the media or social networks.Personally i say let him speak and lets hear him.His fascist militant views on Islam dont represent that many muslims in the UK anyway but its good for people to hear what the extremists in general believe.There is of course the added bonus he is constantly monitored in this country,eventually this smug twit will over step the mark legally and can then enjoy a nice long stay inside somewhere with far more pressing issues on his mind.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Yes I am clearly pure evil and I am sorry to have offended anyone

Yes, yes you are

 

[Hastings gull]

I watched it through to the end and thought he came over as obviously not a very good speaker, but honest and he did come over someone who actually cares about his community along with Stacy Dooley. The bit about the grooming was very worrying, and it all too easy for people in white suburbia to attack and brandish people as racist when they voice concerns you have to live there to experience the pressures and unease before you can condemn anyone. having lived in London and Rusholme I have witnessed something's that people just do not or will not understand and that is sometimes racial tensions are not only a white instigated problem. We should be all be able to live together in perfect harmony as someone once said, as hard as we try in reality we can't because of outside influences by people or groups with ulterior motives or beliefs.

forgive me I am just a normal person speaking about what I have seen and my life experiences, it may sound like old tosh or crap to many of you.

No, my friend, you are not talking rubbish. What you voice is what has happened to hundreds of thousands of ordinarily decent folk, who have seen their lives and areas transformed, with out ever having been asked or voted on it. Of course we should all live together in harmony and I don't doubt that this happens at a local level all over the country, thankfully. The British people have by and large shown great tolerance, considering the magnitude of the changes, even though sections of the immigrant community may not think so, and in some cases doubtless they have been subjected to verbal and physical abuse, which is totally unacceptable.

What has not helped is OTT political correctness. I am sure that the grooming cases, which were apparently known to the authorities, would have had far earlier decisive action, were it not for the fear the authorities had of being labelled racist -that lovely catch-all word, again. It is a regular observation that the majority has pandered to the minority, rightly or wrongly, and I can't help feeling that this has emboldened those radical muslims, who probably had little respect for traditional British values anyway. The more frequent the atrocities or just incidents of extreme behaviour, the more polarised the views on all sides become -very worrying for the future.

 

[Hugo Rune]

They've killed again according to reports from French TV, maybe two people. It seems there is a shoot out now in a warehouse somewhere.

 

[Buzzer]

Maybe he has a point? http://nodisinfo.com/hard-proof-terrorist-attack-france-absolute-hoax/

That nodisinfo website has been completely and thoroughly debunked. It's an anti-semitic CT website that always starts with the conclusion that it's a 'filthy zionist jewish plot' as they so frequently describe them and then finds 'evidence' to back this ludicrous assertion. Every incident, major or minor, is blamed on Mossad - even the deaths of celebrities. If you want the truth then apply Occam's Razor and then it will become obvious that this is the work of Islamic terrorists. There's no conspiracy.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

No, my friend, you are not talking rubbish. What you voice is what has happened to hundreds of thousands of ordinarily decent folk, who have seen their lives and areas transformed, with out ever having been asked or voted on it. Of course we should all live together in harmony and I don't doubt that this happens at a local level all over the country, thankfully. The British people have by and large shown great tolerance, considering the magnitude of the changes, even though sections of the immigrant community may not think so, and in some cases doubtless they have been subjected to verbal and physical abuse, which is totally unacceptable.

What has not helped is OTT political correctness. I am sure that the grooming cases, which were apparently known to the authorities, would have had far earlier decisive action, were it not for the fear the authorities had of being labelled racist -that lovely catch-all word, again. It is a regular observation that the majority has pandered to the minority, rightly or wrongly, and I can't help feeling that this has emboldened those radical muslims, who probably had little respect for traditional British values anyway. The more frequent the atrocities or just incidents of extreme behaviour, the more polarised the views on all sides become -very worrying for the future.

What is there that could have been "voted on" here - genuine question. I don't see this having much to do with European questions, if that is the implication.

 

[vegster]

Suspects holed up in the offices of a small printing company. Could this be where Charlie Hebdo was printed and therefore on their target list ? Failing that it could be quite a coincidence that what started as an attack on The Press will end in a printing works.