Charlie Hebdo - merged

[daveinprague]

Paris terrorists identified as Islamic state members: Said Kouachi, Cherif Kouachi and Hamyd Mourad.

Mourad handed himself into the police last night. He was in class at the time of the shootings.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

BBC News reporting new police officer killing in Paris this morning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30721677

Thanks for the link. Seems like there is a good possibility it's related:

The gunman was armed with a machine-gun and a pistol and wore a bullet-proof jacket, police sources told AFP news agency.

 

[jackanada]

I must admit i know very little about the KKK, perhaps i should investigate. Have they shot, beheaded or blown anybody up.

Has not made any news outlets but there was an attempted bombing of the NAACP headquarters the day before the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Racist attacks by white supremacists don't fit the preferred terrorist narrative though.

 

[BigGully]

Has not made any news outlets but there was an attempted bombing of the NAACP headquarters the day before the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Racist attacks by white supremacists don't fit the preferred terrorist narrative though.

Silly media for getting all hyped up over a few beheadings and shootings, it is the white supremacist that are the current scourge ........

 

[Poppett63]

As we say in Sussex, Nous ne serons pas DRUV

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

Has not made any news outlets but there was an attempted bombing of the NAACP headquarters the day before the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Racist attacks by white supremacists don't fit the preferred terrorist narrative though.

Another thing is that a few, mainly American news outlets, along with someone from the CIA says that yesterday was the worst terrorist attack in Europe since 7/7. I guess that what Anders Breivik did in Norway isnt a terrorist attack then because he wasnt a Muslim, in fact he was anti-Islam.

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

Examples of the KKK terrorism in America about 90 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpUbydksi58

 

[Hastings gull]

It's not about how many, and I'm not trying to claim any high ground. It's about the contact people have in their everyday lives. The people I hang out with treat these sort of incidents in the same most people do. They are outraged/upset/saddened.

As for statements, the press and media have reported loads of public denunciations of extremism by Muslim leaders and representatives.

I don't doubt that your friends or the people with whom you have contact in your everyday life, treat the sort of incident in Paris with disdain, but the issue of numbers was, don't forget, brought up by you when you asked how many muslims people know! But I do see what you mean. Yes, there have been regular denunciations -not sure if have heard of loads, but happy to accept what you say - but with respect, this is not quite the point. I just have not seen any real evidence en masse that the fanatics are as isolated as we care or want to believe; I could be wrong, I fully accept. But given that the muslim community has so much to gain from reaching out to the wider community, it seems almost like a deafening silence.

 

[fat old seagull]

The most accurate shot these terrorists executed yesterday was when they shot themselves in the foot. These guys are so far radicalised they don't realise that the cause of Islam is further tarnished Worldwide.
Charlie Hebdo has become famous, far from getting rid of their view that Muhammad has been ridiculed, everyone all over the World now sees these cartoons.

 

[Soulman]

They have lynched a fair few in their time. Try The Scottsboro Boys........Or listen to Strange Fruit by Billie Holliday.

Ok. I had a look and most of the atrocities are from many years ago. I also had a quick peek at the Crusades and mad Edward's army, just in case they are compared to what is happening now.

 

[Tooting Gull]

It has been profoundly depressing on so many levels. Obviously the mass killing first and foremost, your heart goes out to family and friends of the victims. They went to work, they drew some cartoons, they got murdered where they sat. It is beyond belief.

What I think the coverage has also shown is that we are not quite the 'home of satire' that we like to think. I don't think many of those cartoons of the prophet would have got published in the UK (we haven't had that kind of thing much at all), and the French tradition remains stronger and more hard-hitting. Tragically, they have paid the highest possible price for that freedom of expression.

There are probably editors sitting in the UK today thinking 'I'm really glad I didn't publish this cartoon or that cartoon about Mohammed', and it may even have saved loss of life, but on this issue Charlie Hebdo were braver, arguably the bravest, and it is tragic what has happened. This is not a war we can afford to lose to the terrorists.

 

[Greyrun]

Has not made any news outlets but there was an attempted bombing of the NAACP headquarters the day before the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Racist attacks by white supremacists don't fit the preferred terrorist narrative though.

Wrong, extensively covered in America and their was a report in the Daily Mail.Do not think you can compare the reporting of an explosive device which knocked a few things off the wall with the killing of twelve people.

 

[Soulman]

Wrong, extensively covered in America and their was a report in the Daily Mail.Do not think you can compare the reporting of an explosive device which knocked a few things off the wall with the killing of twelve people.

So was it the KKK or just speculation

 

[JCL666]

I don't doubt that your friends or the people with whom you have contact in your everyday life, treat the sort of incident in Paris with disdain, but the issue of numbers was, don't forget, brought up by you when you asked how many muslims people know!

No I didn't. I wondered how many people have contact with muslims.

But I do see what you mean. Yes, there have been regular denunciations -not sure if have heard of loads, but happy to accept what you say - but with respect, this is not quite the point. I just have not seen any real evidence en masse that the fanatics are as isolated as we care or want to believe; I could be wrong, I fully accept. But given that the muslim community has so much to gain from reaching out to the wider community, it seems almost like a deafening silence.

It's you missing the point. The premise is that if you had contact in your everyday life with people who are muslim, then you wouldn't need some sort of defining statement from them.

 

[spring hall convert]

I guess that what Anders Breivik did in Norway isnt a terrorist attack then because he wasnt a Muslim, in fact he was anti-Islam.

As a white, European, moderate atheist, I feel I should apologise for that attack.

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

Wrong, extensively covered in America and their was a report in the Daily Mail.Do not think you can compare the reporting of an explosive device which knocked a few things off the wall with the killing of twelve people.

Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ngs-explosion-recalls-violence-against-naacp/

Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/07/naacp-colorado-springs-explosion_n_6431470.html

Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/naacp-chapter-bombing-colorado-springs-deliberate-says-fbi-297399

Time
http://time.com/3658470/naacp-bombing-terrorist-attack-hate-crime/

There are at least 10 or more examples of this story in the American Press

 

[AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit]

So was it the KKK or just speculation

The American Press is waiting for the FBI to catch the culprit before they make any determination of his allegiances. Normally it turns out to be a KKK linked group or another white supremisist group.

 

[Greyrun]

So was it the KKK or just speculation

Still unclear, could have been a tax office or a mainly black clientele barbers was targeted.

 

[jackanada]

Wrong, extensively covered in America and their was a report in the Daily Mail.Do not think you can compare the reporting of an explosive device which knocked a few things off the wall with the killing of twelve people.

Fair enough, I guess it was a lack of coverage on Fox news et al that has been getting a lot of peoples backs up stateside.
That it was an attempt to kill an office full of people does merit some comparison.

 

[Insel affe]

The two main suspects in the Islamist attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris are said to have robbed a service station in the north of France.

According to the manager of the service station that was robbed on the RN2 road in Aisne at about 10:30 (09:30 GMT), the attackers fit the description of the two men, and were heavily armed with Kalashnikovs and rocket-propelled grenade launchers. They are said to have driven off in the direction of Paris in a Renault Clio car, apparently the same vehicle hijacked in Paris soon after the Charlie Hebdo attack.

Could be heading back to Paris for a gande finale.