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[Football] Champions' league final issues
- Thread starter Harry Wilson's tackle
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Good advise , Jurgen Klopp was widely quoted as encouraging the opposite though
https://talksport.com/football/1102994/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-tickets-champions-league-real-madrid/
Jurgen Klopp has encouraged Liverpool fans to travel to Paris for their Champions League final with Real Madrid, even if they don’t have a ticket.
Originunknown
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French minister Gérald Darmanin told a press conference on Monday 30,000 to 40,000 Liverpool fans had turned up for the game either without tickets or with counterfeits.
About 70% of tickets presented by about 62,000 Liverpool fans were fake, the French interior minister said, and whereas 97% of Real Madrid fans had made it to their seats by the original 9pm kick-off time, only 50% of Liverpool supporters had reached their stands by then.
Darmanin said the fact that Liverpool supporters had been issued with paper rather than digital tickets had enabled “massive, industrial-scale and organised fraud with fake tickets”.
About 70% of tickets presented by about 62,000 Liverpool fans were fake, the French interior minister said, and whereas 97% of Real Madrid fans had made it to their seats by the original 9pm kick-off time, only 50% of Liverpool supporters had reached their stands by then.
Darmanin said the fact that Liverpool supporters had been issued with paper rather than digital tickets had enabled “massive, industrial-scale and organised fraud with fake tickets”.
My biggest take from that is that the leeches from Uefa only give 40,000 tickets to fans of the clubs involved in a stadium that holds 75,000. I'd say that's pretty scandalous and with all the money sloshing around from their "corporate partners" they can't even organise proper security. I note Rangers and Frankfurt fans are also urging an investigation into their final. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-61521682
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/sport/football/rangers-hit-uefa-damning-dossier-27100454
As UEFA have said , 94% of ticket revenue from the final goes to both clubs. If they didn’t sell expensive corporate tickets, sponsorship deals etc the clubs would get less money. He said no club has ever gone to them and suggested a model of bigger allocations at much lower prices and taking the revenue hit …
Which of course makes it perfectly acceptable....
It’s acceptable to the money hungry clubs though.
Neville's Breakfast
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I’m not sure what you are arguing here. If the Albion reached a European final I would want a large ticket allocation regardless of whether or not Barber had argued for it.
Agreed. But just saying the clubs don’t based on greed hence the ESL. Klopp was saying how disgraceful it was, and had it explained to him. Fans need to put pressure on their clubs to table a motion for it
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No, what they are saying is that this feeds into a deliberate narrative of blame shifting. Which I agree with.
No-one is saying all the Liverpool fans were angels, but many independent observers are saying that all the blame is being unfairly placed on them.
A bit like some on this thread.
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It continues. Michael Howard, former tory leader, was at the game. He says he arrived in good time and was directed (with his wife) to a turnstile that was not open. Then it got difficult. This was the reason for the delays. He said he saw no misbehaviour whatsoever by Liverpool supporters.
There is no evidence of mass ticket fraud, even though the French are asserting this. Local thugs were certainly mugging Liverpool (and Madrid) supporters for phones, wallets and tickets, though.
Basically the French are now lying about what happened in order to save face.
Meanwhile the VIP guests were flown in first class, and rushed into the stadium.
Still, after the Euro final, the Brits are in no position to be smug.
Best thing for all concerned? Blame the scousers and Move On! It worked well enough for 30 years after Hillsborough
There is no evidence of mass ticket fraud, even though the French are asserting this. Local thugs were certainly mugging Liverpool (and Madrid) supporters for phones, wallets and tickets, though.
Basically the French are now lying about what happened in order to save face.
Meanwhile the VIP guests were flown in first class, and rushed into the stadium.
Still, after the Euro final, the Brits are in no position to be smug.
Best thing for all concerned? Blame the scousers and Move On! It worked well enough for 30 years after Hillsborough
nicko31
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How many ticketless fans travelled? Honest why bother....
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UEFA will commission an independent report headed by someone from Portugal.
Breaking news.
Good.
Breaking news.
Good.
pure_white
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- Dec 8, 2021
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I don't think it will happen but what if finals were 2 legs home and away with the finalist stadiums. No neutral venue.
Neville's Breakfast
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Let’s hope they speak with this fella about what happened;
‘But Mathieu Valet, from senior police officers' union the SICP, told the BBC's Newshour the main issue was not ticketless fans or fake tickets, but "three or four hundred French and undocumented delinquents who were there on the concourse of the Stade de France".’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61633840
They can then catch up with the French Interior Minister about the cover up.
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Indeed.
Hoards of ticketless fans trying to force their way in would be like Hillsborough. And this wasn't like Hillsborough. Nobody was crushed to death at the pinch points.
Liverpool supporters, above all, might be expected to not trigger a mass crush. And they didn't. Fancy that!
beorhthelm
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and then goes onto say they need more police. fancy that from a police union
couple of different things seen on twitter and news. firstly, some French having to climb under the barriers because tickets weren't scanning. some sort of celeb because the steward then asked for a photo. before proceeding to stop a Liverpool fan doing the same
second, couple of nice Liverpudlians described after the chaos of the crowds they where directed to a different entrance, got to in without having their tickets actually checked. fast looking like the omniclusterfudge, with anything that could go wrong, going wrong.
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Irrelevant. There were 100,000 Rangers at the UEFA final. Just there to soak up the atmos. Nay bother.
Not for me, Clive, obvs, but I would always rather stay in
Anyway.....nobody died as far as I am aware, so it really is all about doing things properly, taking responsibility and making sure that lessons really are learned.
I have to say that I am never likely to reach a convivial accomodation with the nation who brought us Jonny Halliday, optional personal hygeine, and Le Front National, especially in matters of British interest, particularly événements sportifs.
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