ATFC Seagull
Aberystwyth Town FC
A much more eloquent (and polite) way of putting what I tried to!
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Celtic's pro IRA fans.
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A much more eloquent (and polite) way of putting what I tried to!
I see the club still claim to have the best fans in the world so must be condoning it although publicly they say otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - A more myopic view of a clubs own fans you would struggle to find based on that official club line today. I would say fairly confidently that a club who's fans sing pro-terrorism songs wouldn't feature in the top 10,000 clubs worldwide of "best fans". Unless it means best at being complete wankers.
Yeah - A more myopic view of a clubs own fans you would struggle to find based on that official club line today. I would say fairly confidently that a club who's fans sing pro-terrorism songs wouldn't feature in the top 10,000 clubs worldwide of "best fans". Unless it means best at being complete wankers.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Even more reasons why both of them (Celtic and Rangers)should be kept out of the English League.
16bha
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I don't know....i think Torquay v Celtic would be a good even match up........(sorry Torquay!)
Pinkie Brown
Wir Sind das Volk
I've never got my head around why so much sectarian bigotry exists in the Glasgow derby or in Glasgow itself? Not from everyone of course, but a large minority neverless. Maybe a simplistic sounding question, however...
Football rivalries in England are embedded down the years because teams are near neighbours & hate each other. Its as simple as that. We hate palace for footballing reasons not because a large percentage of their fans worship at the Croydon Church of Satan or wherever. We hate Palace but couldn't give a shit which church they may or may not attend.
Going back a few hundred years, there were serious divisions between the Protestants & Catholics in England. Queen Lizzie 1, Henry the VIII & Oliver Cromwell stirred a pot a bit. We've got over it & moved on.
Maybe those in Glasgow & for that matter, in Northern Ireland, need to do the same?
Football rivalries in England are embedded down the years because teams are near neighbours & hate each other. Its as simple as that. We hate palace for footballing reasons not because a large percentage of their fans worship at the Croydon Church of Satan or wherever. We hate Palace but couldn't give a shit which church they may or may not attend.
Going back a few hundred years, there were serious divisions between the Protestants & Catholics in England. Queen Lizzie 1, Henry the VIII & Oliver Cromwell stirred a pot a bit. We've got over it & moved on.
Maybe those in Glasgow & for that matter, in Northern Ireland, need to do the same?
ATFC Seagull
Aberystwyth Town FC
Disclaimer - this isn't an attempt at justification.
However, you need to remember that it isn't really to do with religion as such, it's more to do with two ethnic groups (of which religion is one traditionally defining feature), and the sovereignty of N.I. I think even the extreme groups of either club wouldn't argue that they hate the other because of their religion, but because of their views and the perceived hatred from the other side of their own group.
Edit - key point, religion is a small part of a wider thing.
Scum of the worst kind. Although not all Celtic fans sing the IRA songs everybody knows it goes on & how anyone can follow that club is beyond me. If we had a large number of fans that sang songs celebrating 9 / 11 or something I couldn't support us & its the same principle. Its a fair point that Rangers fans sing songs about The Battle of the Boyne etc but singing about things that happened in 1690 is nothing compared to singing about recent atrocities at the hands of the IRA. Most people remember the slaughter the IRA caused in Warrington etc when many innocent civilians died & I knew squaddies killed in Northern Ireland. So to know that there is a club in our country that has many fans who revel in their deaths makes my blood boil. I just hope that Celtic are never allowed in our league as that would really turn my stomach.
Celtic fans are so paranoid you cannot view their message board, and can only join if you are invited by an existing member.
Rangers are equally disgusting. I went to the UEFA Cup final in Manchester a few years ago and their behaviour, and staggering ignorance, took my breath away.
Rangers are equally disgusting. I went to the UEFA Cup final in Manchester a few years ago and their behaviour, and staggering ignorance, took my breath away.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Both as bad as each other, and I hope that they are NEVER allowed near the English game.
See no evil, hear no evil?
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Holmesdale_Lad
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- Sep 28, 2011
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Calling for them to be kicked out is harsh, not the players fault.
I'm a Protestant, also a Ger, and go to a few games a season, as long as CPFC don't have a game that day.
The level of hate up there for the other religion is astounding - on both sides of the fence.
I have a lot of respect for some of Celtics support - the Green Brigade and Jungle Bhoys are two cracking groups, and decent lads to boot - but it is a very small, albeit vocal minority on both sides.
I'm a Protestant, also a Ger, and go to a few games a season, as long as CPFC don't have a game that day.
The level of hate up there for the other religion is astounding - on both sides of the fence.
I have a lot of respect for some of Celtics support - the Green Brigade and Jungle Bhoys are two cracking groups, and decent lads to boot - but it is a very small, albeit vocal minority on both sides.
What you travel from london to scotland just to watch rangers?
Working class pride
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Before you talk about this subject then it helps to know some irish history, save to say that the queen paid respects to the IRA Volunteer from the War of independence the last time she was in Ireland. IRA is a dirty word in England because of The Troubles and because people dont get the problem, especially these days as it seems the trouble is caused by kids in track suit bottoms who are a million miles from Michael Collins. However it is worth knowing that in Ireland there are war memorials to the IRA Volunteers of 1916 and the subsequent war of independence. In the same way that there are war memorials in England. Many people with Irish families will have old IRA men as relatives, who may have even received IRA pensions, medals and the like from the war of independence years. Including a highly capped player for Brighton, who had a grandfather that was in the IRA during Ireland's war of independence.
Working class pride
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Strictly speaking it was the Provisional IRA. But as a point of history, the Republic's government during the 80's will have been made up of Old IRA families that fought with and then against Collins/DeVelera during the civil war. As such the irony of the distinction is stark. They were not however PIRA as they were now the government of Republic Ireland that the PIRA did not recognise, as they did not recognise a state called Northern Ireland. All bollox in this global world but it meant something to them at the time no doubt.
brighton bluenose
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Are you for f***ing real?! A 'Gers fan who 'respects' the Green Brigade - let me assure you that you must be one of a tiny tiny minority who respect a group that sings their pro-IRA garbage!!
Holmesdale_Lad
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Holmesdale_Lad
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Read my post. I hate those who sing the pro-IRA nonsence, but it's a small minority.
Yes, I have respect for what they do up there, as I do for all groups across the UK, regardless of clubs.
If your NSK as I believe they are called manage to step up a few gears, they'd have my respect.
I have the maturity to see through football's tribalistic nature, it appears you do not.
brighton bluenose
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The Green Brigade as a groupare involved in the organised singing of pro-IRA chants - and yoiu respect that?! Well, if that's a sign of 'maturity' I'll stick to being immature then!!