Cash benefits or Food stamps?

[beorhthelm]

You don't think the new tests the sick have to go through to get benefits are tough enough? Have you seen how many fail and how many have died after being forced back to work? Do you think it's easy to get benefits right now?

ah, so because of a flaw in the application of disability benefits, ewe should continue to overlook and accept the rampant obuses of all benefits for those healthy and fit for work too? this is exactly the problem, people trying to support the status quo when it isnt working.

and yes, benefits are easy, i know of a lad left school cant be arsed to find work or college as he'll just take benefits instead. he's lived a live with handouts and thinks its his right. his uncle, my mate, is livid having helped out his mother for years that the kids see the world this way.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Another thread attacking the poor. The race to the bottom is on.

I agree with [MENTION=177]Brovion[/MENTION].

So do I. Blaming the poor for being poor. The scapegoating of the unemployed by the self righteous mob. Ugly.

 

[TheMajor]

Both please.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I work in an industry that attracts a lot of people with time on their hands, AKA unemployed. I have noticed that they seem to generally have cash for their leisure activities are also able to afford to smoke and drink plenty of alcohol. If this country was really serious about cutting the benefit culture surely we should start with stopping what is obviously excessive luxury payments and replace cash with food vouchers. What do you think?

The best way to cut the benefit culture is to provide meaningful well paid employment. All we ever seem to do is create crap supermarket job after crap supermarket job these days. This is wear the issue really lies.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So do I. Blaming the poor for being poor. The scapegoating of the unemployed by the self righteous mob. Ugly.

Totally agree.

 

[macky]

Many on benefits save a little each week for their childs birthday christmas etc And then theres scholl trips etc Those children would suffer If food stamps were brought in Are you saying children should suffer more also ??

 

[Camicus]

My wife is a Doctor of medicine and a PhD pharmacologist before she had her accident she was working as European compounding manager for a leading pharmaceuticals company. I was working as a area manager with 400 people under me we both drove brand new mercs owned a 4 bed farm house and could go away when ever wherever we wanted. In other worlds we had made it. Then on 22/7/2002 she had an accident leaving her wheelchair bound and in constant pain I quit work to care for her full time. I'm not telling you this for sympathy or any other reason than to show you that anything can happen in this life and benefits are a safety net for people not a way of life. I for one object in the strongest passable terms to being labeled a parasite or fraudsters or scrounger. We were paying more than I suspect your annual salary in taxes every year so why now we when need help should it be begrudged?

 

[macky]

I think you are missing my point, I am not suggesting you are lying at all. My point was you see these people who are on benefits because they have 'bad backs' but they are able to get to the pub to spend their own money. My point is how do you they don't really have a legitimate back problem that mean they cannot work so need help but but does not mean they can physically get to a pub and physically have a drink. Without knowing the details of their condition how can you make that judgement.
If you saw me right now I look totally healthy, no outward signs of anything but the fact is I am pretty ill, my point was how can you judge what they are actually capable of?

The reason they are down the pub Is probably to sell the drugs they get for their bad backs

 

[Triggaaar]

Why don't we just kill everyone that's not earning loads and paying good tax? Let's start with the disabled.

 

[Triggaaar]

My wife is a Doctor of medicine and a PhD pharmacologist before she had her accident she was working as European compounding manager for a leading pharmaceuticals company. I was working as a area manager with 400 people under me we both drove brand new mercs owned a 4 bed farm house and could go away when ever wherever we wanted. In other worlds we had made it. Then on 22/7/2002 she had an accident leaving her wheelchair bound and in constant pain I quit work to care for her full time. I'm not telling you this for sympathy or any other reason than to show you that anything can happen in this life and benefits are a safety net for people not a way of life.

That's all well and good, but we want you to feel small and embarrassed every time you buy a loaf of bread, and we want to feel united when we sneer at you.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

People buying cigarettes and alcohol are tax payers too unless they buy them from a booze cruise white van man.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Excessive payments? I was unemployed for a while after eighteen years of self employment all I received was around £65 a week.

You clearly weren't 'playing the game' like so many seem to. It's like a competition to see who can milk more from benefits. A prime example is a guy at my work, 29 and married with 2 kids, he works about 25 hours a week. He has a a flat courtesy of the council but is ENTITLED to an upgrade to a 3 bedroom house, just to speed things along they're having a 3rd child. The house will cost £90 per week, on top of that they receive over £600 per month child support. An active social life and heavy smoking are affordable for them. They have iPhone's and 47"3d television etc.
That is the kind of person the op is referring to, I believe.

 

[JBizzle]

As with most arguments, its about moderation.

Several posts on here seem to be painting all unemployed as "cheats and scroungers", all disability claimers as "faking it" and all employed as "self-righteous bigots" when in fact in moderation some are cheats and scroungers, some are desperate for work, some are fakers and some are in constant pain and some are self-righteous bigots and some are not.

The benefit compensation should be moderation too and should be enough for food, amenities and to a standard of living a normal human being is accustomed too. If you choose to eat less and smoke/drink more, thats their choice but as long as the benefit amount is enough to cover the basics needed to survive and in line with inflation, what they spend their money on is their choice.

So back on point, no to food vouchers. As long as they have the money for 3 meals a day, they can spend it where they choose.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You clearly weren't 'playing the game' like so many seem to. It's like a competition to see who can milk more from benefits. A prime example is a guy at my work, 29 and married with 2 kids, he works about 25 hours a week. He has a a flat courtesy of the council but is ENTITLED to an upgrade to a 3 bedroom house, just to speed things along they're having a 3rd child. The house will cost £90 per week, on top of that they receive over £600 per month child support. An active social life and heavy smoking are affordable for them. They have iPhone's and 47"3d television etc.
That is the kind of person the op is referring to, I believe.

Child benefit for 2 kids is £20.30 + £13.40 weekly which works out at £146 a month.

 

[MJsGhost]

There's never going to be a perfect solution as even if there are food stamps or something similar, a black market develops where the stamps are traded for cash and/or unscrupulous shop keepers will accepts them for fags & booze anyway.

Not directly related to benefits (but on a related theme...)

I find it very strange that society's perception of necessities has become so skewed. It's amazing how so many people on, near or below the breadline (whether on benefits or not) have big flat screen TVs, Sky subscriptions, smoking habits, a smartphone and still manage to drag the kids to Benidorm for a week in the summer. Surely these are all luxuries, so if you're struggling to make ends meet you take care of the important things first?! I've even seen a Big Issue seller playing about with his iPhone FFS!

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Child benefit for 2 kids is £20.30 + £13.40 weekly which works out at £146 a month.

And when one of them has ADHD you get loads more his wife receives full time carers wage.

 

[5mins-from-amex]

I thought I told you not to try and project crap at me you lowbrow snivelling weasal. you are the only person who has mentioned wether they "look the type", take your playground style of debate and shove it at your dumb arse you clueless tosser.

Wether I have reported either them or how well I know their condition is a mute point. If you are incapable of taking on trust what I have said already what is the point of elaborating? so you can dismiss that with snide remarks also? It is also none of your business.

Wow keyboard warrior, do you talk to people like that to there faces?

 

[martyn20]

ah, so because of a flaw in the application of disability benefits, ewe should continue to overlook and accept the rampant obuses of all benefits for those healthy and fit for work too? this is exactly the problem, people trying to support the status quo when it isnt working.

and yes, benefits are easy, i know of a lad left school cant be arsed to find work or college as he'll just take benefits instead. he's lived a live with handouts and thinks its his right. his uncle, my mate, is livid having helped out his mother for years that the kids see the world this way.

You clearly have no actual experience of the benefits system, very sick people being put through interviews not geared to their illness and being refused benefits and told to get back to work. Even the government have now admitted the system has gone too far the other way and is penalizing the sick and needy as well as those trying to cheat the system.
I hope to god you don't get a nasty medical condition and have to face a 40 page form to try and get benefits you are entitled to as a taxpayer, then face a 15 minute interview with an unqualified person who says despite doctors evidence you are fit to work and should get yourself off their tomorrow no matter how dangerous it might be.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Many on benefits save a little each week for their childs birthday christmas etc And then theres scholl trips etc Those children would suffer If food stamps were brought in Are you saying children should suffer more also ??

Scholl? I'm pleased parents are spending money on sensible shoes and not fancy trainers. It was Clarks in my day.

 

[User removed 4]

Scholl? I'm pleased parents are spending money on sensible shoes and not fancy trainers. It was Clarks in my day.

With snide posts like that are you really puzzled why people want to give you a slap ?