[Football] Cardiff City face Fifa transfer ban over fee dispute

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I thought you were going to say:-

'wouldn't it be nice if Cardiff honoured their commitment'.

To which the answer is - 'yes it bloody well would and is something they should have done instantly'.


Perhaps they could have paid up while hoovering up every last ounce of grief chasing sympathy, that they were actively whoring themselves in front of.


I'd be embarrassed to be an Albion fan if Mr Tony handled such an event in as cold, calculating, snidey way had The Tan Man at Cardiff.

And on a much smaller scale, our Mr Tony cancelled one of our player's contracts recently so he could sign for Charlton after the window had closed.

You can't buy class.

For the record, though, can someone remind me which bungle**** hired the one-eyed pilot and his elastic band powered balsa wood 'aeroplane' for the fateful flight?

 

[phoenix]

I would suggest that Cardiff should be paying a certain amount. Because, Sala was having talks with Cardiff to become their player. If he wasn't having talks he would never have been on that plane. So, I would think there must be some responsibility for Cardiff.

Sorry about the poor wording.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I would suggest that Cardiff should be paying a certain amount. Because, Sala was having talks with Cardiff to become their player. If he wasn't having talks he would never have been on that plane. So, I would think there must be some responsibility for Cardiff.

Sorry about the poor wording.

I am not sure you have all the facts, either. See my question in the post above. He was going to sign, and the buck should stop with whoever chartered that flight.

Actually, if he hadn't signed and had decided himself to charter that flight . . . one can see why Cardiff are saying 'hang on'. But I don't know the facts....does anyone? Surelythis was answered fully in the original thread? Presumably though folk are not inclined to let facts get in the way of a strongly held opinion....

 

[Poojah]

Had Sala actually signed on the dotted line before his tragic demise? If so then surely he is/was a Cardiff player and therefore Nantes should receive whatever is owed to them despite the awful circumstances. Whatever the outcome no-one will come out this with a less than grubby reputation.

As far as my understanding goes, they’re arguing on a technicality. The deal between Cardiff and Nantes had been signed and sealed, and Sala had signed his contract with Cardiff.

However, at the time of Sala’s tragic demise his registration had not yet been transferred and in that sense at least was still a Nantes player. But it is indeed utterly classless from Cardiff and they should have taken it upon themselves to at least negotiate a compromise with Nantes.

To be honest, their entire conduct throughout the whole story has sounded rather classless. They fundamentally failed to ensure their player had access to a comfortable and more importantly safe mode of transport. You’d assume any Premier League club would have staff in place specifically to oversee such things. Sala was not some development squad chancer; he was their all time record signing.

Had they acted professionally in the first place, then this whole saga could have been avoided. They should suck up the consequences.

 

[Poojah]

For the record, though, can someone remind me which bungle**** hired the one-eyed pilot and his elastic band powered balsa wood 'aeroplane' for the fateful flight?

Willie McKay, father of Sala’s agent Mark McKay. Their excuse is that the club weren’t interesting in organising anything as they weren’t too struck on him heading back to France for the weekend. I don’t know how much truth there is in that but personally if I had just spent £15m on something, anything in fact, I’d be pretty keen to ensure it was kept safe in transit.

Clearly they weren’t that fussed.

 

[Weststander]

Documents had been signed, the contract was made enforceable.

Disgusting behaviour by Cardiff in dragging this on. Get the impression that they’re blindly following their initial grubby move, to prevent a loss of face.

In reality, to most people outside of Cardiff, Tan and Warnock come across as chancers.

 

[Questions]

I'd be embarrassed to be an Albion fan if Mr Tony handled such an event in as cold, calculating, snidey way had The Tan Man at Cardiff.

The Tan Man used to tuck his Cardiff football shirt into his suit trousers ......... how could you trust a man who did that ..... what a total barrstad....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I would suggest that Cardiff should be paying a certain amount. Because, Sala was having talks with Cardiff to become their player. If he wasn't having talks he would never have been on that plane. So, I would think there must be some responsibility for Cardiff.

Sorry about the poor wording.

It was past talks. He had definitely signed.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/976229

 

[Saunders]

It was past talks. He had definitely signed.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/976229

subject to international clearance

Which was declined by the Premier League because it contravened the signing on fee rules. The amended contract was never signed according to Cardiff. They are behaving like classless ***** but I doubt FIFA could win this if what Cardiff say is true.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Which was declined by the Premier League because it contravened the signing on fee rules. The amended contract was never signed according to Cardiff. They are behaving like classless ***** but I doubt FIFA could win this if what Cardiff say is true.

It's the FA who give and receive international clearance not the Premier League.

Have you got a link?

 

[Lindfield by the Pond]

Show some class Cardiff, you shitebirds.

Once a Bluebird, always a Bluebird (Unless valued over £15m of course)

 

[Triggaaar]

I am not sure you have all the facts, either. See my question in the post above. He was going to sign

I don't think that's correct. I think he had already been to Cardiff, had a medical, passed the medical, and signed. He went back to Nantes to collect some stuff.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Someone needs to show some dignity ..this is just dragging football through the mud.....one wonders what the guys relatives are making of all of this

 

[drew]

Someone needs to show some dignity ..this is just dragging football through the mud.....one wonders what the guys relatives are making of all of this

There may well be a substantial signing on fee that might be due depending on whether the transfer was ratified?

 

[Saunders]

I don't think that's correct. I think he had already been to Cardiff, had a medical, passed the medical, and signed. He went back to Nantes to collect some stuff.

He signed a contract that was subject to international clearance that got rejected by the premier league.

edit. It just shows how incompetent Cardiff are that they allow their players to be flown around in an aeroplane that wouldnt look out of place in the wacky races and they dont even know what the signing on rules are.

 

[Triggaaar]

However, at the time of Sala’s tragic demise his registration had not yet been transferred and in that sense at least was still a Nantes player. But it is indeed utterly classless from Cardiff and they should have taken it upon themselves to at least negotiate a compromise with Nantes.

Personally I don't see it as classless. The man died, as did the pilot. It's an awful tragedy. A club or an insurance company are obviously going to lose millions of pounds - c'est la vie. But if it's not actually Cardiff's responsibility to pay (and I don't know if it is or not), then I don't see why the owner should basically donate millions of pounds to the owner of Nantes, just to be 'classy'. It won't bring Emiliano back. It presumably won't help his family either.

Whether he was a Cardiff player is a legal issue, and should be dealt with accordingly. As per the quote I posted above, if international clearance had been denied, I imagine he'd have stayed with Nantes, so it makes sense that if international clearance hadn't yet been given, then he wasn't a Cardiff player.

To be honest, their entire conduct throughout the whole story has sounded rather classless. They fundamentally failed to ensure their player had access to a comfortable and more importantly safe mode of transport.

Well I don't know what the club offered, and what Emiliano chose to do.

Would you blame Vichai (Leicester City) for not providing himself with a safe mode of transport when he tragically died in the helicopter crash?

 

[Triggaaar]

He signed a contract that was subject to international clearance that got rejected by the premier league.

If that is true...

so that's a big IF,

then he clearly wasn't a Cardiff player, and it's clearly Nantes that are being classless, in asking for payment for a player that was never going to join another club, because the league had rejected the deal. Had the plane not crashed, he'd have headed back to Nantes, as he was their player.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He signed a contract that was subject to international clearance that got rejected by the premier league.

edit. It just shows how incompetent Cardiff are that they allow their players to be flown around in an aeroplane that wouldnt look out of place in the wacky races and they dont even know what the signing on rules are.

International clearance is between Football Associations, not the Premier League. The English FA apply for clearance from the French FA.

As I understand it, Cardiff had expected Sala to fly on a normal commercial flight. It seems his agent allegedly arranged the cheap flight back.

 

[Poojah]

Personally I don't see it as classless. The man died, as did the pilot. It's an awful tragedy. A club or an insurance company are obviously going to lose millions of pounds - c'est la vie. But if it's not actually Cardiff's responsibility to pay (and I don't know if it is or not), then I don't see why the owner should basically donate millions of pounds to the owner of Nantes, just to be 'classy'. It won't bring Emiliano back. It presumably won't help his family either.

Whether he was a Cardiff player is a legal issue, and should be dealt with accordingly. As per the quote I posted above, if international clearance had been denied, I imagine he'd have stayed with Nantes, so it makes sense that if international clearance hadn't yet been given, then he wasn't a Cardiff player.

Well I don't know what the club offered, and what Emiliano chose to do.

Would you blame Vichai (Leicester City) for not providing himself with a safe mode of transport when he tragically died in the helicopter crash?

I see it differently. Cardiff agreed (and signed) a deal with Nantes in good faith. If for instance, Sala had not passed on and Nantes had insisted that actually, they'd had a better offer and that they wanted to cancel the deal then Cardiff would have almost certainly told them where to go.

Ultimately, this is why clubs insure the lives and careers of their players - their assets. If there's some reason, such as issues relating to the nature of Sala's flight (e.g. aircraft and pilot), have rendered any insurance claim null and void then again Cardiff only have themselves to blame.

If I buy, for example, an antique vase and sign a contract with the dealer in which I agree to pay a certain price for it, and subsequently drop it through no fault of the seller, then suggesting I no longer want to pay for it since it now has no value is surely morally wrong. Even if a technicality in the contract means that I can avoid paying for it, it does not mean that, morally speaking, I should. That woud be classless.

The same is true here. I apologise for the cold use of language here when talking about a human life, but they agreed to pay for an asset, had its value reduced to zero having failed to protect it accordingly, and so the onus remains on them to make good on that payment.

The Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha comparison doesn't really work for me. By definition, of course any aircraft that crashes and results in fatalities wasn't 'safe'. But there's a difference between knowing that in hindsight and having reason to believe in advance that a flight might be vulnerable. In the case of Vichai, a helicopter with a generally good safety record crashed due to a previously unknown technical failure.

In the case of Sala, the plane in question was not appropriate for flying in bad weather, the pilot was not permitted to fly commercial passengers and was not qualified to fly at night (all of which happened). If it hasn't already, I'm sure in time the flight will be proven to have been illegal. Someone, somewhere - not least the man flying the plane - will have known that. Had transport been organised properly that simply would not have happened. But Cardiff, either through direct involvement in organising the flight or failing to organise something properly themselves, were tinpot. They were classless.

 

[Weststander]

I see it differently. Cardiff agreed (and signed) a deal with Nantes in good faith. If for instance, Sala had not passed on and Nantes had insisted that actually, they'd had a better offer and that they wanted to cancel the deal then Cardiff would have almost certainly told them where to go.

Ultimately, this is why clubs insure the lives and careers of their players - their assets. If for some reason, such as issues relating to the nature of Sala's flight (e.g. aircraft and pilot), have rendered any insurance claim null and void then again Cardiff only have themselved to blame.

If I buy, for example, an antique vase and sign a contract with the dealer in which I agree to pay a certain price for it, and subsequently drop it through no fault of the seller, then suggesting I no longer want to pay for it since it now has no value is surely morally wrong. Even if a technicality in the contract means that I can avoid paying for it, it does not mean that, morally speaking, I should. That woud be classless.

The same is true here. I apologise for the cold use of language here when talking about a human life, but they agreed to pay for an asset, had its value reduced to zero having failed to protect it accordingly, and so the onus remains on them to make good on that payment.

The Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha comparison doesn't really work for me. By definition, of course any aircraft that crashes and results in fatalities wasn't 'safe'. But there's a difference between knowing that in hindsight and having reason to believe in advance that a flight might be vulnerable. In the case of Vichai, a helicopter with a generally good safety record crashed due to a previously unknown technical failure.

In the case of Sala, the plane in question was not appropriate for flying in bad weather, the pilot was not permitted to fly commercial passengers and was not qualified to fly at night (all of which happened). If it hasn't already, I'm sure in time the flight will be proven to have been illegal. Someone, somewhere - not least the man flying the plane - will have known that. Had transport been organised properly that simply would not have happened. But Cardiff, either through direct involvement in organising the flight or failing to organise something properly themselves, were tinpot. They were classless.

And FIFA who’ve seen all the evidence, concur.