Campaign to get Ding Dong the Witch is Dead to Number One

[Buzzer]

If you know or suspect and choose to ignore (or disagree) that is different from claiming never knowing or never suspecting. It is not credible that the offices of the prime minister were not aware of the darker side of Saville, even if not the extent.

All I would say is that it is one of the jobs of those in the prime ministers office to protect her reputation and that of her office. They clearly failed

Those two comments could have been written by different people, they are so far apart in content and intention. The latter is a simple acknowledgement that there were failings whereas the former starts with a heavily loaded comment about "knowing and choosing to do nothing" backed up by the assertion that the Security Services and by extrapolation Thatcher MUST have known of Savile's shenanigans.

 

[User removed 4]

Now there's a post with no meaning.

As opposed to yours which is full of insightful comment and a comprehensive rebuttal of my post which claimed that you have indeed shown support for Townsend, in the form of a post claiming he's not a nonce which his caution for accessing child porn and inclusion on the sex offenders register would seem to give the lie to , either way it's a bit rich for you to then start moralizing about thatcher connection to savile.

 

[narly101]

Wouldnt it be ironic if the rights owners of the song (unable to find this on the internet, but I didn't look too hard) used the money to subsidise the Security cost of the funeral.

Alternatively they could use the money to build a ****ing great big statue in her honour and whack it up on the 4th plinth in Trafalgar square.

Just a thought.

RIP Mrs T.

 

[HovaGirl]

Woah! Let's stop right there - this didn't happen. She got about 40% of the vote, the majority didn't vote for her.

Great numbers of people couldn't be bothered to vote. They still can't.

 

[soistes]

Woah! Let's stop right there - this didn't happen. She got about 40% of the vote, the majority didn't vote for her.

Yes, and and even less than 40% of the electorate, given that there's always a proportion who don't turn out.
So in 1979 the Tories got 43.9% on a 75.98% turnout, so that's 33.4% of people who could have voted for her who actually did.
in 1983 the equivalent figure works out at 30.8%
in 1987 it was 31.8%

So never more than a third of people voted for her. Hardly the triumphant ringing endorsement you'd imagine from her acolytes on here.

 

[The Large One]

As opposed to yours which is full of insightful comment and a comprehensive rebuttal of my post which claimed that you have indeed shown support for Townsend, in the form of a post claiming he's not a nonce which his caution for accessing child porn and inclusion on the sex offenders register would seem to give the lie to , either way it's a bit rich for you to then start moralizing about thatcher connection to savile.

I know you have a bee in your bonnet about this one, but he didn't receive a caution for accessing child porn. None was found on his computers.

He went on the Sex Offenders Register once he accepted his caution (he is not on it now). As it transpires, once the police went through the evidence, they found there wasn't a case to answer.

If you want the fuller story, read his book. Now I know that you would say 'he would say that, wouldn't he?' But the point is, there is no evidence, apart from in the court of your own conscience, that he has indulged in anything along those lines.

The 'support' you claim I offer is that I'm not making a claim on this case that I can't back up without even some evidence. However, it's possible you can provide some evidence (beyond 'no smoke without fire' - a meaningless phrase), in which case, would you care to enlighten us?

 

[Wozza]

Yes, and and even less than 40% of the electorate, given that there's always a proportion who don't turn out.
So in 1979 the Tories got 43.9% on a 75.98% turnout, so that's 33.4% of people who could have voted for her who actually did.
in 1983 the equivalent figure works out at 30.8%
in 1987 it was 31.8%

So never more than a third of people voted for her. Hardly the triumphant ringing endorsement you'd imagine from her acolytes on here.

But it's not like those who abstained didn't want Thatcher. If they did, they would have turned out in 1983 and 1987, especially if she was as hated as you think she was.

Anyway, whatever you think of Thatcher, her re-elections show what an utter shambles Labour were in the 80s. So bad, they had to reinvent themselves as a more Tory-like New Labour.

 

[Hillian1]

But it's not like those who abstained didn't want Thatcher. If they did, they would have turned out in 1983 and 1987, especially if she was as hated as you think she was.

Anyway, whatever you think of Thatcher, her re-elections show what an utter shambles Labour were in the 80s. So bad, they had to reinvent themselves as a more Tory-like New Labour.

Almost Thatcherite in fact, they out Toried the Tory party.

 

[User removed 4]

I know you have a bee in your bonnet about this one, but he didn't receive a caution for accessing child porn. None was found on his computers.

He went on the Sex Offenders Register once he accepted his caution (he is not on it now). As it transpires, once the police went through the evidence, they found there wasn't a case to answer.

If you want the fuller story, read his book. Now I know that you would say 'he would say that, wouldn't he?' But the point is, there is no evidence, apart from in the court of your own conscience, that he has indulged in anything along those lines.

The 'support' you claim I offer is that I'm not making a claim on this case that I can't back up without even some evidence. However, it's possible you can provide some evidence (beyond 'no smoke without fire' - a meaningless phrase), in which case, would you care to enlighten us?

He received a caution
For accessing a site containing child abuse images true or not true ?he claimed it was for "research " ,he also wrote the lyrics to 5.15 , which contains the verse " girls of fifteen ,sexually knowing, the ushers are sniffing ,eau De cologning" , I've seen him interviewed about the meaning of those lyrics , he claims they are descriptive of a Beatles concert where a lot of fifteen year old girls wet themselves , and the subsequent smell of urine on th seats, sorry but he's a wrongun.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Those two comments could have been written by different people, they are so far apart in content and intention. The latter is a simple acknowledgement that there were failings whereas the former starts with a heavily loaded comment about "knowing and choosing to do nothing" backed up by the assertion that the Security Services and by extrapolation Thatcher MUST have known of Savile's shenanigans.

If you read them in context though. The first sentence of the first comment was in support of TLO (not that he needs my support) who may make his own mind up about the impact of Townsend's paedophile downloads and whether that affects his love of the Who. The second sentence stands by itself. It is not credible, or there were major failings in the offices of the prime minister if they were not aware.

The second posting says the same as the the second sentence as the first. I do a lot of that.

Did they tell her and she chose not to believe or to ignore, or did they chose not to tell her. Interesting, but a sideshow. Maybe as he was there as a personal friend they did not do the same sort of checks.

 

[Hillian1]

I know you have a bee in your bonnet about this one, but he didn't receive a caution for accessing child porn. None was found on his computers.

He went on the Sex Offenders Register once he accepted his caution (he is not on it now). As it transpires, once the police went through the evidence, they found there wasn't a case to answer.

If you want the fuller story, read his book. Now I know that you would say 'he would say that, wouldn't he?' But the point is, there is no evidence, apart from in the court of your own conscience, that he has indulged in anything along those lines.

The 'support' you claim I offer is that I'm not making a claim on this case that I can't back up without even some evidence. However, it's possible you can provide some evidence (beyond 'no smoke without fire' - a meaningless phrase), in which case, would you care to enlighten us?

Just to be annoying, can you provide any evidence that Thatchers Security personnel knew anything at all about Saville? That was what you were alluding to wasn't it.

 

[User removed 4]

Just to be annoying, can you provide any evidence that Thatchers Security personnel knew anything at all about Saville? That was what you were alluding to wasn't it.

You beat me to it , I was just about to ask , what a hypocrite

 

[soistes]

But it's not like those who abstained didn't want Thatcher. If they did, they would have turned out in 1983 and 1987, especially if she was as hated as you think she was.

Anyway, whatever you think of Thatcher, her re-elections show what an utter shambles Labour were in the 80s. So bad, they had to reinvent themselves as a more Tory-like New Labour.

Who knows what they wanted? The simple point is that she never had overwhelming support, as some other people have suggested.

What's more interesting to me, actually, is the extent to which the dislike of Thatcher (among those who did dislike her) appears to have persisted over time, as indicated by some of the reaction in the last few days. NSC is much more evenly divided on the issue than I would have expected, especially given the Southern English location of most members (which was where the really rabid support for Thatcher was, back in the day).

I agree with you, however, that the Labour party was a shambles in the 80s, although I'm not convinced that the solution they came up with (mimicking the Tories) will turn out to have been the most effective for them in the longer-term.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Woah! Let's stop right there - this didn't happen. She got about 40% of the vote, the majority didn't vote for her.

Fair enough - I didn't know that.

The remaining point still stands though. A LOT of people voted for her.

 

[Hillian1]

Fair enough - I didn't know that.

The remaining point still stands though. A LOT of people voted for her.

Yes they did.

And you'd have thought that if the majority of the electorate really was anti Thatcher then they would have voted for Labour rather than the lib dems or whatever they were called back then to ensure that the very Devil didn't get back into power.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Woah! Let's stop right there - this didn't happen. She got about 40% of the vote, the majority didn't vote for her.

That's more of an inditement against the people that disagreed with her policies but couldn't be bothered to actually turn up and cast their vote on polling day. Regardless of the exact numbers this country, under its electoral system, re-elected her twice.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Here's the thing.

You live (and presumably have lived for some time) in a country in which a majority of the population re-elected her TWICE.

If I ever hate someone enough to rejoice at their death (which would take a lot!) I would probably hold that person's supporters in equal regard. Your friends and family were the ones truly responsible, because they voted for her. If she was such an evil piece of work, the whole country should be locked up for voting for her.

But she wasn't. Some things she did were awful yes. Some were good. Add up the good and the bad and somewhere in between "the witch is dead" and "she saved the UK" is the truth. It's just so frustrating to read such one-sided horse shit from people who have picked their team, stuck on their blinkers and gone with it.

Hooray she's dead. There is NOT ONE reason she deserves credit. EVERYTHING she did is evil and she deserves to die.

It was only a week ago you stated you knew little about politics.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Out of interest what do you think needs to be done now? The UK economy is a basket case of dead end low paid crap service sector jobs; what are these Tories you love so much doing for the economy which pleases you?

Low paid service sector? You know the service sector includes financial services, designers, architects and other high end jobs.

Or as I suspect you don't have a clue what you are talking about

 

[The Large One]

Just to be annoying, can you provide any evidence that Thatchers Security personnel knew anything at all about Saville? That was what you were alluding to wasn't it.

I was saying (at least I though I said) I find it hard to believe that they didn't.

I was talking about belief - not knowledge. In short, no-one knows one way or another.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

It was only a week ago you stated you knew little about politics.

I stand by that. I don't know much about politics.

I'm trying to suggest that people constantly ignore hard facts because they've declared themselves either side of the fence. To me, this seems like a very bad way to lead your life.

From what I know, I struggle to imagine me weighing up her positives and negatives and coming up with the conclusion that either I'm glad she's dead or she's the savior of Britain.