[News] Cambridge University students kick out plans to honour Britain's war veterans

[Frankie]

 

[Billy the Fish]

I don't understand why the national media cares so much about what students are up to.

Every week there's a story about a handful of them doing something stupid. Just ignore them FFS.

 

[GT49er]

Slightly misleading headline. The headline should be something like "students attempt to change the wording of university rememberence events to be inclusive of all those who suffered due to war (which is really bad) but people overreacted and there's not much local news going on so this is good for us"

Not that I agree with the students, but it certainly wasn't "kicking out plans to honour britains war veterens"

Ah screw it: "BURN THEM!!!!!! THIS COUNTRY IS F***ED"

Reading the OP - "At a vote during a council meeting on Tuesday night, students initially accepted the new version. But a final vote later saw it scrapped altogether - including the original - with members saying the amended motion was too vague. Neither motions were supported." - it appears that they did in fact 'kick out plans to honour Britain's war veterans.'

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Reading the OP - "At a vote during a council meeting on Tuesday night, students initially accepted the new version. But a final vote later saw it scrapped altogether - including the original - with members saying the amended motion was too vague. Neither motions were supported." - it appears that they did in fact 'kick out plans to honour Britain's war veterans.'

Clearly the debate, and again, I'm NOT supporting all this nonsense, was around the wording of the motion, not around remembering those who died. The very fact an amended motion was raised, to be MORE inclusive, clearly means the students weren't KICKING OUT the concept of remembrance day. In fact they actually wanted to highlight the awfulness of war as a whole. They failed to agree on some pinickity wording because they are all fools who lost sight of the fact that it didn't really matter in the grand context.

Again, nothing to see here and over -sensationalised nonsense.

You'd hope those involved in the 'debates' have woken up and realised how silly it all was.

 

[Diablo]

They need to get on and do some bloody work.

Miss Stella Swain has ruled herself out of gainful employment......Not look good on her CV to most employers !!

 

[Falmer Flutter ©]

I don't understand why the national media cares so much about what students are up to.

Every week there's a story about a handful of them doing something stupid. Just ignore them FFS.

Exactly this, it's the same with the jazz hands thing last week. It's just students being students shocker. They've done this nonsense for centuries, including sticking their genitalia in a dead animal's mouth.

 

[GT49er]

Clearly the debate, and again, I'm NOT supporting all this nonsense, was around the wording of the motion, not around remembering those who died. The very fact an amended motion was raised, to be MORE inclusive, clearly means the students weren't KICKING OUT the concept of remembrance day. In fact they actually wanted to highlight the awfulness of war as a whole. They failed to agree on some pinickity wording because they are all fools who lost sight of the fact that it didn't really matter in the grand context.

Again, nothing to see here and over -sensationalised nonsense.

You'd hope those involved in the 'debates' have woken up and realised how silly it all was.

"Proposals for honouring Britain's military veterans 100 years after the end of the First World War were kicked out during a heated debate by the university's students' union council. The motion was described by some objectors as "imperialist propaganda".

I rest my case!

I do agree with you though that the silly young sods need to give their head a wobble. All the groups they probably positively endorse and support - gays, the physically and/or mentally disabled, the mentally ill, socialists, liberals - all would have been culled in a Nazi run Britain. So maybe they should recognise that the jingoistic warmongers that they want us all to forget about actually fought for the rights - and indeed the lives - of those very same groups that they champion a damn sight harder than they do!

 

[Gwylan]

Miss Stella Swain has ruled herself out of gainful employment......Not look good on her CV to most employers !!

Yes, that's right. People who go to Oxbridge struggle to find gainful employment

 

[carlzeiss]

Miss Stella Swain has ruled herself out of gainful employment......Not look good on her CV to most employers !!

The BBC probably have a position reserved for when she graduates .

 

[el punal]

“The row came after Cambridge University Conservative Association (CUCA) had proposed a motion to the students' union council (CUSU”

Whatever happened to the Cambridge University Netball Team ?

Indeed. My daughter interviewed a student from Cambridge who proudly announced she was in CUMS on her CV. I believe the acronym is the Cambridge University Music Society, and hopefully not Mastu . . .

 

[TSB]

Who gives a shit, really, what a % of some oiks in middle England think about anything?

 

[Badger]

Student unions seem to be largely made up of people who think they have more importance than they actually do. It's students who want to be controversial and be seen to be doing the right thing and jumping on any bandwagon involving making everything inclusive. Half the time it's for bullshit reasons, but that never seems to stop them.

There's nothing to stop students organising their own event to honour the WWI veterans. The Student Union doesn't have any real power over them.

From my experience at university, not many students pay much attention to SU campaigns anyway.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Indeed. My daughter interviewed a student from Cambridge who proudly announced she was in CUMS on her CV. I believe the acronym is the Cambridge University Music Society, and hopefully not Mastu . . .

There was awful embarrassment last year when, to mark remembrance day, they got ex-servicemen and women to form a brass band

Cambridge University Music Society's Heroes On Trumpets

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I rest my case!

I do agree with you though that the silly young sods need to give their head a wobble. All the groups they probably positively endorse and support - gays, the physically and/or mentally disabled, the mentally ill, socialists, liberals - all would have been culled in a Nazi run Britain. So maybe they should recognise that the jingoistic warmongers that they want us all to forget about actually fought for the rights - and indeed the lives - of those very same groups that they champion a damn sight harder than they do!

I don't disagree with you, but I would guess that they were trying to acknowledge that innocent people (i.e. women and children) are the victims of war in the aggressor countries as well.

The thought also occurs that many people involved in the fighting might have been doing so unwillingly and would not have agreed with what they were fighting for.

 

[Machiavelli]

What do you expect? The students who live around me in Bevendean have no concept of the difference between a recycling bin and the rubbish bin and what day they go out on.
They have been waking my household up between midnight and four o'clock in the morning coming home pissed for years.

What is this: jealousy?

 

[portslade seagull]

I'm sure plenty who went through the uni gave there lives in WW1 and 2. They should remember them

 

[GT49er]

I don't disagree with you, but I would guess that they were trying to acknowledge that innocent people (i.e. women and children) are the victims of war in the aggressor countries as well.

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Maybe - maybe not. It's not always wise to try and guess other peoples' thought processes - but if I had to guess I would say I thought some may have thought like that - but I would strongly suspect that the instigators of the objection to honouring Remembrance Day as originally proposed were probably more virtue signalling their anti-war credentials!

The thought also occurs that many people involved in the fighting might have been doing so unwillingly and would not have agreed with what they were fighting for.

I suspect a vast number of them didn't want to go and be shot at, but that's no reason why their courage - and in many cases their sacrifices - should not be remembered. Yes, many (far too many) non-combatants have been killed in wars too, nobody denies that. But one day a year to specifically remember those people who fought and died, willingly or otherwise, in two world wars, is that too much to ask? - the second world war in particular for most of us on here who are likely to have had fathers or grand-fathers involved in WWII, the one which ensured that you and I weren't born and bred in a fascist state. For which I'm grateful, even if some students at Cambridge University apparently are not.

 

[daveinplzen]

These people are the future and the future with these people isn't very bright

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Good news considering Brexit.. oh wait

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

What is this: jealousy?

Nope

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

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Maybe - maybe not. It's not always wise to try and guess other peoples' thought processes - but if I had to guess I would say I thought some may have thought like that - but I would strongly suspect that the instigators of the objection to honouring Remembrance Day as originally proposed were probably more virtue signalling their anti-war credentials!


I suspect a vast number of them didn't want to go and be shot at, but that's no reason why their courage - and in many cases their sacrifices - should not be remembered. Yes, many (far too many) non-combatants have been killed in wars too, nobody denies that. But one day a year to specifically remember those people who fought and died, willingly or otherwise, in two world wars, is that too much to ask? - the second world war in particular for most of us on here who are likely to have had fathers or grand-fathers involved in WWII, the one which ensured that you and I weren't born and bred in a fascist state. For which I'm grateful, even if some students at Cambridge University apparently are not.

Just to clarify my own position, I have no problem with remembering those who died in war - especially in World War 2 where it really was a fight against an evil regime.

And on the 2nd point, I was meaning that Germans will not have agreed with what they were fighting for. The Sound of Music - although they were in Austria - showed the Christopher Plummer character resisting the authorities, and I also remember years ago das Boot - the German series about a U-Boot - clearly showed the U-Boot captain not being sympathetic to the Third Reich.


I would count myself as anti-war, but would not count myself as a pacifist. But there are a lot of pr@ts around.