Bus crash on north street

[Vegas Seagull]

Who's fault is it then?

See my insightful previous post for clarity.
It is unlikely that someone having s heart attack drives exactly in a straight line into the bus in front

 

[Diego Napier]

I'd like to see buses replaced by modern trams. If they can do it in Croydon they can do it here. Not only would it be far more environmentally-friendly, far cheaper to build than bus/cycle lanes and far more of a fun thing to do, but the demarcation between tram zones and zones for pedestrians, cyclists and other road users would be far clearer. It's a no-brainer for a modern forward-thinking city really.

I'd like to see trams used too but I think it cost about £200 to implement in Croydon with central Government contributing £125M. I don't know whether those funds would be available now.

 

[Mattywerewolf]

I think it cost about £200 to implement in Croydon with central Government contributing £125M.

Typical Croydon doing things on the cheap

 

[Gwylan]

I guess you meant the opposite maybe? And yes, they have both. However, as one who used to commute to Beckenham from Preston Park by way of East Croydon, the only time anyone ever used the buses was when the tram system crapped out. The bus took at least twice as long and was five times as grim. Oh, and the Croydon trams were included in your Zones 5 & 6 Travelcard, so effectively cost you nothing more than the bus and/or train. Modern trams are the way forward.

Yes, I did mean the opposite. But I can't see many more trams coming in - the West London one has been abandoned permanently and Edinburgh's recent tram system is expected to cost about £1 billion - can't see the council swallowing that sort of cost

Yes the 23. 78 does.

The 78 runs from Old Steine to Stanmer Park, doesn't go through the Clock Tower.

But my point was that nearly bus service does go through the CT, it's madness. Imagine how congested Trafalgar Square would be if every bus service went through it

 

[spring hall convert]

Pedestrianise the town centre. Problem solved. Next.

People forget that traders need access to Dixonnnnnnnnnnnns. Though I have heard it will be good for people in wheeeeeeeeelchairs.

 

[dazzer6666]

Yes, I did mean the opposite. But I can't see many more trams coming in - the West London one has been abandoned permanently and Edinburgh's recent tram system is expected to cost about £1 billion - can't see the council swallowing that sort of cost



The 78 runs from Old Steine to Stanmer Park, doesn't go through the Clock Tower.

But my point was that nearly bus service does go through the CT, it's madness. Imagine how congested Trafalgar Square would be if every bus service went through it

Edinburgh has been a disaster - years and years behind schedule. Doesn't appear to be a lot of people using it either

 

[8ace]

The 78 runs from Old Steine to Stanmer Park, doesn't go through the Clock Tower.

It goes from the OS up North Street and Queens Rd to the station and back down North Road.

But my point was that nearly bus service does go through the CT, it's madness. Imagine how congested Trafalgar Square would be if every bus service went through it

I know, I was agreeing with you
Trouble is there are not many other places to cross the railway line, especially for a double decker.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Looking at the photos, the buses were going uphill, so speeding is even less likely.

 

[Nathan]

Looking at the photos, the buses were going uphill, so speeding is even less likely.

Unlike this thread which seems to be going down hill fast.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Well, in this time of austerity we should do away with this costly policing team

Don't worry yourself on that front. It's already happening. YAY for austerity

 

[Danny-Boy]

I'd like to see trams used too but I think it cost about £200 to implement in Croydon with central Government contributing £125M. I don't know whether those funds would be available now.

Yeah and the madcap BML2 scheme will split the network in two if it ever got passed. Total pigmess, the whole route north of Selsdon near South Croydon is impractical for high-speed trains.

 

[Danny-Boy]

Typical Croydon doing things on the cheap

Yea not as cheap as getting Muzza though....

 

[Arthur]

I'd like to see buses replaced by modern trams.

Never did Allan Bradley any favours!

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Should just add, not trying to make light of what sounds like an awful event and I hope all those injured make full and quick recoveries.

 

[Doc Lynam]

I think timed crossing at the clocktower where you see the count down in front of you would be useful; so many times you think should i shouldn't I!

 

[Guy Fawkes]

They had a report on the local news about this crash and they interviewed an eye witness who said that he saw a bus traveling up the hill with a traffic cone already under the wheels and therefore making a lot of noise. He also saw the driver who he described as someone who looked like he was asleep just before the crash, a few moments after turning away he then heard the collision.

Sounds more like he suffered a health problem prior to the crash which may have caused it rather than some of the other theories on here like pedestrian / cyclists, etc but it could still be one of several causes.

They said that 19 had needed treatment, 9 of which are still in hospital and 1 still has life threatening injuries (believed to be the driver who was in the bus that drove into the back of the other bus)

The report also mentions the great response from people nearby including staff from local businesses and shoppers, who provided first aid, chairs, drinks, etc.. to help those involved before the emergency services arrived.

Hoping that everyone makes a full and speedy recovery.

 

[jay d]

Ive been told by some1 that was there, that paul barber cut the bus driver up while riding his bicycle.
Aparantly he was late for a meeting at the grand hotel

Aparantly he was meeting owen and zamora

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I saw some footage of the smashed front window on the top deck of the bus, and that reminded me of a question that nobody has ever been able to answer to my satisfaction - why aren't seat-belts provided in the front seats on the top decks?

Isn't the danger of being thrown through the windscreen of a bus in a collision as great as in a car if not greater? With the added danger of falling from the equivalent of a first-floor window?

 

[Sheebo]

One thing I hate about us as a nation / human race is we are always straight onto the 'who's fault was it?' Or 'what happened?'. I've known of people / friends who've lost their lives in RTA and people ask 'what happened?'. ****s me off - who gives a shit what happened, it's quite clear of the end result. Not enough questions on the injured on this thread and page after page of guessing bollocks

 

[JBizzleBeard]

Ive been told by some1 that was there, that paul barber cut the bus driver up while riding his bicycle.
Aparantly he was late for a meeting at the grand hotel

Aparantly he was meeting owen and zamora

Great taste mate. Bloody hell NSC can be depressing sometimes.

 

[JBizzleBeard]

One thing I hate about us as a nation / human race is we are always straight onto the 'who's fault was it?' Or 'what happened?'. I've known of people / friends who've lost their lives in RTA and people ask 'what happened?'. ****s me off - who gives a shit what happened, it's quite clear of the end result. Not enough questions on the injured on this thread and page after page of guessing bollocks

Quite. No wonder I barely come here anymore.