[Albion] Burnley vs Brighton & Hove Albion *** Official Match Thread ***

[Fran Sandaza 8 my hamster]

Top away trip
Hotel close to ground and town. Best curry for many a year. Beerhuis great pub and £2.50 a pint.
Duffy awesome, Lallana must start and Biss only plays CDM. Gross is the worst left back in Prem history.
Still need two big signings.

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[Mancgull]

Resident Claret here. Firstly congrats on the 3 points, sat at home with a Bighton fan watching the scores come in. At half time he said he'd take 1-1 after I bemoaned that when you are on top (as the reporter was saying) you need to score as many as you can.

So it came to pass....

Dyche is into the last year of his contract and I genuinely sense our time in the Prem is up. That's not so much a reaction to the result (though losing at home after being ahead is always concerning) but the lack of investment in the team. Rumours are that we are looking to resign Aaron Lennon (who Dyche helped with a lot of issues he was having off the pitch btw). When that's our transfer options it ain't good.

No real creativity bar relying on McNeil and the elderly duo in the centre bring run over.

This is becoming all too familiar.

Last season we got lucky that there were 3 teams ripe for relegation, this year I think we are one of them. Shame but not the end of the world.

What's the Tarkowski situation? Is he now in the final year of his contract? I'd have thought a team would have been in for him, generating some transfer funds for you. Shame for you if he's just going to run down his contract and then go for nothing. I expect the Collins signing was to replace him.
If you'd have scored the second before half time which you very nearly did, I think it would have been game over. However, the strength of our subs bench/options turned the game our way.
Dyche has done a remarkable job but the moment the players sense his heart isn't completely in it ( If he doesn't sign a new contract) then I think the writing is on the wall. I was also surprised by the amount of empty seats on Saturday.
Always a good day out at Burnely and one of the few places I can get a ticket at.

 

[scamander]

Why is that? I've said earlier in this thread how much I hate Burnley on the two days a year we have to play you but on the other 363 I'm much more mellow towards you and respect your clubs achievements.

You barely spend any money every season, you don't have, as far as I'm aware, a high wage bill. So you must have made a fair bit of money. Where is it? I think you've spent some upgrading your training ground? Upgrades to Turf Moor? Did you have debts?

Good question. A lot was settling debts and the training complex. There's also the point about generating revenue, the club isn't big (e.g. the ground capacity). Though we have ALK (no money there) the club has never had a backer with deep pockets so there's minimal appetite for credit or debt.

Perhaps Norwich are closest to us in that context. I think it points to just how difficult it is to make money in football as a club in the conventional sense.

 

[the beating monkey]

Resident Claret here. Firstly congrats on the 3 points, sat at home with a Bighton fan watching the scores come in. At half time he said he'd take 1-1 after I bemoaned that when you are on top (as the reporter was saying) you need to score as many as you can.

So it came to pass....

Dyche is into the last year of his contract and I genuinely sense our time in the Prem is up. That's not so much a reaction to the result (though losing at home after being ahead is always concerning) but the lack of investment in the team. Rumours are that we are looking to resign Aaron Lennon (who Dyche helped with a lot of issues he was having off the pitch btw). When that's our transfer options it ain't good.

No real creativity bar relying on McNeil and the elderly duo in the centre bring run over.

This is becoming all too familiar.

Last season we got lucky that there were 3 teams ripe for relegation, this year I think we are one of them. Shame but not the end of the world.

Tough starting a long season out with not a lot of hope, it well not be over and Burnley have exceeded the expectations over the years.
Why had there been so little investment? Where is all that money?
Are the new owners not going to cough up a bit?
As long as you come below us, keep the faith

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Burnley had no shots on target in the second half. Brighton had six and scored two.

So many things seem to have slightly corrected from last season's anomalies. Only one game, but I wonder if all the dropped points from winning positions, draws that should be wins, sucker punch goals and bloody out of whack xG might be addressed this season?

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Burnley had no shots on target in the second half. Brighton had six and scored two.

So many things seem to have slightly corrected from last season's anomalies. Only one game, but I wonder if all the dropped points from winning positions, draws that should be wins, sucker punch goals and bloody out of whack xG might be addressed this season?

I thought it was quite interesting that the 2 goals had at least 2 dress rehearsals before they went in. There was a definite plan of attack, the movement in the box was great in terms of midfielders arriving later and a spread of options running onto the ball. All that said, bit of fortune meant 2 goals won it for us rather than 3.

 

[scamander]

What's the Tarkowski situation? Is he now in the final year of his contract? I'd have thought a team would have been in for him, generating some transfer funds for you. Shame for you if he's just going to run down his contract and then go for nothing. I expect the Collins signing was to replace him.
If you'd have scored the second before half time which you very nearly did, I think it would have been game over. However, the strength of our subs bench/options turned the game our way.
Dyche has done a remarkable job but the moment the players sense his heart isn't completely in it ( If he doesn't sign a new contract) then I think the writing is on the wall. I was also surprised by the amount of empty seats on Saturday.
Always a good day out at Burnely and one of the few places I can get a ticket at.

Tarks was apparently off to either Leicester or Wham last season, but it didn't work out. Brentford have a nice sell on clause so I think the club realised that keeping him and seeing him go on a free (and staying up) was better than selling and having to find an immediate replacement. We did get Collins in from Stoke who I assume will step up to fill the gap when he's gone.

The issue in the meantime is how his stock has changed. We have been less consistent defensively so perhaps those potential buyers are thinking better of it. Apparently he wanted to move in order to increase his chances of making the Euro sqaud. That bird has obviously flown.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Why is that? I've said earlier in this thread how much I hate Burnley on the two days a year we have to play you but on the other 363 I'm much more mellow towards you and respect your clubs achievements.

You barely spend any money every season, you don't have, as far as I'm aware, a high wage bill. So you must have made a fair bit of money. Where is it? I think you've spent some upgrading your training ground? Upgrades to Turf Moor? Did you have debts?

The money is in the former owner's pocket.

Garlick, the former majority shareholder, allowed cash to remain in the company up to the last published set of accounts when there was £80m in the bank. Then in December, he and the other major shareholder Banaskovicz sold their shares to ALK for £150m. ALK provided £15m of their own funds, and borrowed about £50m from Burnley FC's bank and about £60m from a third party lender. If ALK goes bust, BFC has to repay the £60m loan and can whistle for its £50m. The balance of £25m or so owed to Garlick is to come out of future profits of the club.

ALK is a private equity company that is purely in it for the money. If BFC get relegated, they can just write it off as a bad debt, but if BFC don't get relegated, they can drain profits out for as long as it lasts, or they can sell to whoever they can find and make a profit that way.

 

[dazzer6666]

The money is in the former owner's pocket.

Garlick, the former majority shareholder, allowed cash to remain in the company up to the last published set of accounts when there was £80m in the bank. Then in December, he and the other major shareholder Banaskovicz sold their shares to ALK for £150m. ALK provided £15m of their own funds, and borrowed about £50m from Burnley FC's bank and about £60m from a third party lender. If ALK goes bust, BFC has to repay the £60m loan and can whistle for its £50m. The balance of £25m or so owed to Garlick is to come out of future profits of the club.

ALK is a private equity company that is purely in it for the money. If BFC get relegated, they can just write it off as a bad debt, but if BFC don't get relegated, they can drain profits out for as long as it lasts, or they can sell to whoever they can find and make a profit that way.

So Dyche’s clever management of limited resources (which I have a grudging respect for) made the former owners (presumably not fans) a pile of cash, and you’re now in the hands of venture capitalists who are even less interested in the ‘club’ ? That’s pretty distressing for the fans……

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Resident Claret here. Firstly congrats on the 3 points, sat at home with a Bighton fan watching the scores come in. At half time he said he'd take 1-1 after I bemoaned that when you are on top (as the reporter was saying) you need to score as many as you can.

So it came to pass....

Dyche is into the last year of his contract and I genuinely sense our time in the Prem is up. That's not so much a reaction to the result (though losing at home after being ahead is always concerning) but the lack of investment in the team. Rumours are that we are looking to resign Aaron Lennon (who Dyche helped with a lot of issues he was having off the pitch btw). When that's our transfer options it ain't good.

No real creativity bar relying on McNeil and the elderly duo in the centre bring run over.

This is becoming all too familiar.

Last season we got lucky that there were 3 teams ripe for relegation, this year I think we are one of them. Shame but not the end of the world.

I really hope not. It’s a great away day. Proper ground, proper fans and Burnley cricket club helps make it a great day out. I wish you luck for the season and don’t pay too much attention to the negative comments on here.

 

[rogersix]

The money is in the former owner's pocket.

Garlick, the former majority shareholder, allowed cash to remain in the company up to the last published set of accounts when there was £80m in the bank. Then in December, he and the other major shareholder Banaskovicz sold their shares to ALK for £150m. ALK provided £15m of their own funds, and borrowed about £50m from Burnley FC's bank and about £60m from a third party lender. If ALK goes bust, BFC has to repay the £60m loan and can whistle for its £50m. The balance of £25m or so owed to Garlick is to come out of future profits of the club.

ALK is a private equity company that is purely in it for the money. If BFC get relegated, they can just write it off as a bad debt, but if BFC don't get relegated, they can drain profits out for as long as it lasts, or they can sell to whoever they can find and make a profit that way.

christ, how depressing, it's a one way street

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

The money is in the former owner's pocket.

Garlick, the former majority shareholder, allowed cash to remain in the company up to the last published set of accounts when there was £80m in the bank. Then in December, he and the other major shareholder Banaskovicz sold their shares to ALK for £150m. ALK provided £15m of their own funds, and borrowed about £50m from Burnley FC's bank and about £60m from a third party lender. If ALK goes bust, BFC has to repay the £60m loan and can whistle for its £50m. The balance of £25m or so owed to Garlick is to come out of future profits of the club.

ALK is a private equity company that is purely in it for the money. If BFC get relegated, they can just write it off as a bad debt, but if BFC don't get relegated, they can drain profits out for as long as it lasts, or they can sell to whoever they can find and make a profit that way.

That's pretty shitty.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The money is in the former owner's pocket.

Garlick, the former majority shareholder, allowed cash to remain in the company up to the last published set of accounts when there was £80m in the bank. Then in December, he and the other major shareholder Banaskovicz sold their shares to ALK for £150m. ALK provided £15m of their own funds, and borrowed about £50m from Burnley FC's bank and about £60m from a third party lender. If ALK goes bust, BFC has to repay the £60m loan and can whistle for its £50m. The balance of £25m or so owed to Garlick is to come out of future profits of the club.

ALK is a private equity company that is purely in it for the money. If BFC get relegated, they can just write it off as a bad debt, but if BFC don't get relegated, they can drain profits out for as long as it lasts, or they can sell to whoever they can find and make a profit that way.

Fascinating and so easy to go from a debt-free, well run, effective operation into a debt laden, low investment at-risk club so quickly (might be over stating that but you get the point).

I do often wonder what would happen if TB lost interest in BHA (unlikely) or passed away (unlikely I hope for him, of course). Burnley fell into the hands of a PE firm. Southampton got left to the family, who are backing out at speed. This stuff is all so fragile.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So Dyche’s clever management of limited resources (which I have a grudging respect for) made the former owners (presumably not fans) a pile of cash, and you’re now in the hands of venture capitalists who are even less interested in the ‘club’ ? That’s pretty distressing for the fans……

Banaszkiewicz certainly is a fan. I’ve met him. He used to take his staff from his city brokerage on away days up to Burnley for football. Perhaps the cash was just too tempting. It is somewhat surprising that he would do that deal.

 

[Mancgull]

Tarks was apparently off to either Leicester or Wham last season, but it didn't work out. Brentford have a nice sell on clause so I think the club realised that keeping him and seeing him go on a free (and staying up) was better than selling and having to find an immediate replacement. We did get Collins in from Stoke who I assume will step up to fill the gap when he's gone.

The issue in the meantime is how his stock has changed. We have been less consistent defensively so perhaps those potential buyers are thinking better of it. Apparently he wanted to move in order to increase his chances of making the Euro sqaud. That bird has obviously flown.

He did well with his goal, but in the second half he didn't seem as focused as I've previously seen him. I wonder whether a team may do a low ball offer just before the window shuts. Seems to have gone off the radar of a few clubs as you say.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Burnley had no shots on target in the second half. Brighton had six and scored two.

So many things seem to have slightly corrected from last season's anomalies. Only one game, but I wonder if all the dropped points from winning positions, draws that should be wins, sucker punch goals and bloody out of whack xG might be addressed this season?

I have mentioned several times, that our real area of focus should be the number of points dropped from winning positions.
We have one of the best defensive records in the league and one of the worst goal conversion rates, and yet when we took the lead, we frequently lost it!

It would seemingly be something we already have the ability to resolve.

 

[scamander]

The money is in the former owner's pocket.

Garlick, the former majority shareholder, allowed cash to remain in the company up to the last published set of accounts when there was £80m in the bank. Then in December, he and the other major shareholder Banaskovicz sold their shares to ALK for £150m. ALK provided £15m of their own funds, and borrowed about £50m from Burnley FC's bank and about £60m from a third party lender. If ALK goes bust, BFC has to repay the £60m loan and can whistle for its £50m. The balance of £25m or so owed to Garlick is to come out of future profits of the club.

ALK is a private equity company that is purely in it for the money. If BFC get relegated, they can just write it off as a bad debt, but if BFC don't get relegated, they can drain profits out for as long as it lasts, or they can sell to whoever they can find and make a profit that way.

Thanks - really well explained, I knew it was bad. Didn't realise just how bad.

 

[peterward]

I had an absolute shocker of a day, set off leaving myself a 3 hour window to allow for traffic, got to Hurstpierpoint and realised my ticket was on the console table in my hall. ****.
Quick turnaround but that set me back by an hour, I then ran into traffic jam after accident after closure, my arrival time was going up and up and up. With an hour to go until kick off I was still 120 miles away. I nearly threw the towel in.
I arrived in Burnley at 15:45 and sprinted to the ground only to find they’d closed the turnstiles and weren’t allowing anyone else in. ****. Legged it to the ticket office and pleaded with them, they escorted me around the ground and finally let me in through a side door. Managed to watch all of the second half.
All that effort for 45 mins of football, and if you think I’d ever do it again you’d be absolutely right.
UTA.

MOTM performance there DFP, and as you're probably aware, it was probably a blesing in disguise you missed the first half, you wouldve been even more depresed and pissed off had you watched the first 45.

Serious heroics fella

 

[Motogull]

I have mentioned several times, that our real area of focus should be the number of points dropped from winning positions.
We have one of the best defensive records in the league and one of the worst goal conversion rates, and yet when we took the lead, we frequently lost it!

It would seemingly be something we already have the ability to resolve.

I think we should build on leads personally. Our goals came from balls into areas that 'keepers and defenders don't like. I think 'tap ins' are more likely than 'pass ins' so one one game's evidence we have improved in that regard.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I think we should build on leads personally. Our goals came from balls into areas that 'keepers and defenders don't like. I think 'tap ins' are more likely than 'pass ins' so one one game's evidence we have improved in that regard.

Absolutely.

My recollection of last season, was we would quite often, sit back too much, once we had taken the lead.
Quite possibly a by-product of not scoring enough goals, but it often led to letting teams back into games we were in command of.

We had been defensively sound all season, apart from when defending a lead it seems.
No reason to suspect sitting deeper would make us more effective defensively,

Far better to continue controlling the game than cede the initiative to the opponents.