[Albion] Burnley 7th - no great shakes?

[Mackenzie]

Do Everton have the players required to play the Dyche way? Ashley Williams may have the necessary attitude, I’m not so sure about the rest. They seem a bit precious.

 

[Perkino]

If we don't give away the penalty to Everton and manage to grab the deserved 2nd goal against the Saints then we would be currently sitting in 6th.

It's small margins in this league between 7th and 17th and with a couple of lucky breaks your season can look very different

 

[scamander]

Do Everton have the players required to play the Dyche way? Ashley Williams may have the necessary attitude, I’m not so sure about the rest. They seem a bit precious.

I think Dyche might have to change the way he plays if he was to move to a club like Everton. It would also be interesting to see him at a club with a lot of cash. That said I'd prefer it if he stayed!

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Burnley are just Wimbledon of the 80s. It proves you can survive playing like that and I don't mind that type of football but eventually those sides do go down. I recall Alan Kimble saying that to me and he was a Wimbledon player just before they went down

Thats pretty darn harsh, I see very little difference between how they are setting up in the prem at the moment and how we do - and I'm pleased that a lot of the later posters on the thread are saying similar. Dyche has really won me round, I didn't think much of him a few years back but he's pretty impressive. Very solid defensively, well organised, don't go at teams gung ho but get a footing in a game, take their chance when it comes and hold out for the points. I certainly don't see them as a long-ball team or on overly-dirty team - they're strong and niggly, but then so are we.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I expect quite a few neutrals thought our 1-0 win over Newcastle was a snore fest too.

Exactly right.


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[Stat Brother]

Do they?

Can't say I've seen anyone post anything like that myself.

Or is that just you making stuff up in order to get your daily fix of sneering.

Nope, but palace have played and lost there much to one or two posters surprise.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Do Everton have the players required to play the Dyche way? Ashley Williams may have the necessary attitude, I’m not so sure about the rest. They seem a bit precious.

The state of Williams these days. Used to be one of the best centre halves in the league: Everton appear to have signed him about three years past his peak. Him and Jagielka at the back must be the slowest- and largest- centre half pairing around. Everton fans are absolutely slating Williams at the moment. He's certainly no long ball merchant though so I don't know if Allardyce or Dyche would be his bag.

Re Burnley: I'm with those who don't think they deserve the flak. Sure, they're not exactly a thrill to watch, but I wouldn't have them down as simply long ball merchants. They're a decent, traditional football club, with proper fans in the main, not glory hunters who could easily pop down to the Etihad or Old Trafford of a weekend. They're well run and not smashing their budget, but living relatively within their means.

Far better that than doing a Bournemouth with their shady Russian owner and his mysterious, undocumented money. As a town, Burnley is never going to be high up on anyone's tourist Top 100 list, and there are regrettably still a sizeable minority of Burnley fans (as, it seems, with other Lancastrian and Yorkshire clubs in particular) who inhabit the Dark Ages when it comes to social acceptance. And they did employ that turd Joey Barton twice.

But fair play to them for continually improving on the pitch. I'd be happy to be a bit dull (are any clubs outside the top six really thrilling to watch??) and in their position. Will be interesting to see if they sustain it.

 

[MattBackHome]

Yeah what Edna said.

Plus Ashley is still one of my favourite players.

 

[Pavilionaire]

If winning a match can ever be bad for a team then last night's win for Burnley was it.

Taking them to 7th is a good as it gets for them (as it would be for us), and Dyche is at that point in his career where his stock is as high as it can get at Burnley. If he passes up the opportunity to manage Everton he may not get another chance at such a big British club.

If he leaves then where next for Burnley? Dyche and his side have been through much together, his boots will not be easy to fill. Crucially, will he take Burnley players with him in the January window?

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

If winning a match can ever be bad for a team then last night's win for Burnley was it.

Taking them to 7th is a good as it gets for them (as it would be for us), and Dyche is at that point in his career where his stock is as high as it can get at Burnley. If he passes up the opportunity to manage Everton he may not get another chance at such a big British club.

If he leaves then where next for Burnley? Dyche and his side have been through much together, his boots will not be easy to fill. Crucially, will he take Burnley players with him in the January window?

Oh he's definitely out if they want him, question is if Everton think they can do better? Dyche does smack of Moyes part 2, and whilst he wasn't exactly bad, it feels like the owners want more

 

[NooBHA]

Thats pretty darn harsh, I see very little difference between how they are setting up in the prem at the moment and how we do - and I'm pleased that a lot of the later posters on the thread are saying similar. Dyche has really won me round, I didn't think much of him a few years back but he's pretty impressive. Very solid defensively, well organised, don't go at teams gung ho but get a footing in a game, take their chance when it comes and hold out for the points. I certainly don't see them as a long-ball team or on overly-dirty team - they're strong and niggly, but then so are we.

I gave credit that it is effective and that I don't mind that type of football, however I don't detract they are like Wimbledon of the 80s. Many a Newcastle player landed on their arse last night with Burnly players jumping into them and I am no lover of Newcastle.

I also like Sean Dyche as a manager but at some stage teams will find a way of overcoming that style of play and it will happen come the second part of the season, once every club has actually played against them and realise what they need to do to neutralise it

 

[Gazwag]

Some really unfair comments being cast in Burnley's direction here. They're not a team full of Vinnie Jones inspired thugs - although signing Barton did them no favours. They're just an extremely well drilled team full of hard workers. I wasn't at all surprised to see Barnes go there, he's a perfect fit. Dyche has signed the type of player to fit his system because he knows it can work for him.

It's similar to us in some respects, the team is better than the sum of its parts. If Hughton left we'd be in trouble. In the same way I think Burnley will really struggle without Dyche. It'll take time for a new manager to instil a new system and find the players to advance them. IMO if they need a VERY safe pair of hands if Dyche leaves or it could be a disaster for them,

Do Everton have the players required to play the Dyche way? Ashley Williams may have the necessary attitude, I’m not so sure about the rest. They seem a bit precious.

Yes Dyche to Everton will be great for us I think

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I gave credit that it is effective and that I don't mind that type of football, however I don't detract they are like Wimbledon of the 80s. Many a Newcastle player landed on their arse last night with Burnly players jumping into them and I am no lover of Newcastle.

I also like Sean Dyche as a manager but at some stage teams will find a way of overcoming that style of play and it will happen come the second part of the season, once every club has actually played against them and realise what they need to do to neutralise it

Well, we're very similar but I'm sure you'd hate the description of us as Wimbledon of the '80's

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

There are two divisions in the league, the top 6 and then the other 14. Any of the 14 could finish 7th or 20th.

 

[Marlton & Hove Albion]

It's all swings and roundabouts but I must admit my mind does stray. Beat Watford (we should have), Hold on at Bmuff (we could have), Bruno decides not to assault the Everton player (he should have) and Duffy slides the ball into the Southampton net (he could have), then instead of 12 points, we're third in the table on 21. It shows what taking your chances really means and the consequences of not. YES I KNOW, plenty of reasons why we could have less than 12 points. We are who we are but the slimmest of margins in this division.

 

[Triggaaar]

There are two divisions in the league, the top 6 and then the other 14. Any of the 14 could finish 7th or 20th.

I basically agree with you (two divisions), but can Everton really finish 20th?

 

[8th battalion East Lancs]

Anyone who says that Burnley are just like Wimbledon of the 80's, hasn't watched any football since the 80's.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

I basically agree with you (two divisions), but can Everton really finish 20th?

If they do a Palace and now employ a De Boer type to come in with fancy ideas that don't work then definitely yes. However, chances are they're going for Allardyce or Dyche so are more likely to finish 7th.

 

[Triggaaar]

Anyone who says that Burnley are just like Wimbledon of the 80's, hasn't watched any football since the 80's.

Yeah, I don't see Burnley winning the FA cup.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

In the league of 14, there are only 3 teams that I really can't see us finishing above being Burnley, Southampton and Leicester. I would be happy with 2 draws versus Burnley this season.