METALMICKY
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Arthur said:
Did you actually bother to read that sentence in context. It related specifically to the bollox 'quiet lad' defence.
And now i'm bored and i've had your sister and she was shite!!!!!!!!
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Did you actually bother to read that sentence in context. It related specifically to the bollox 'quiet lad' defence.
And now i'm bored and i've had your sister and she was shite!!!!!!!!
Uncle Buck
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METALMICKY said:Did you actually bother to read that sentence in context. It related specifically to the bollox 'quiet lad' defence.
And now i'm bored and i've had your sister and she was shite!!!!!!!!
Very adult and you critcise others for being unable to have reasoned debate.
seagull over spain
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Having sat and read all the comments on this thread and been tempted for a couple of days to enter in to the posts, enough is enough I am now bound to upset some if not all of you, yes it is quite correct "if you wern't there what right do you have to pass comment" but surely there comes a point where even the most defencive of you that are arguing this lads corner have to admit whilst you know him personaly you also were not there with him. We as England supporters have to face the facts every last one of those arrested has protested their inocence (sp). Do we defend them all?
You may ask who am I to pass judgement in such a way, I am a farther and grandfarther, living in Spain so I certainly know what dealing with the forign poliuce is all about, I also have a son serving time in prison at the moment who prior to appearing in court told me many times how he had not done what he was accused of. BTW I still love him to bits, he is certainly of a character that many of those that know him would say "Not *****, he would not do that" We warned him many times that if he runs with the crowed he will go down with them. By the way he do wwhat he was accused of, and he is pay the cost now.
In circumstances such as this lad found himself in very often those closest to him would be the least likley to know what he is capable of.
The simple answer to the whole affair is, if you want to go to the games keep out of the way of trouble, and if it does kick of walk away, if not you will certainly end up on the wrong side of the prison bars even trying to get closer to see what is happeningplaces you nearer the front and an easier target for arrest. Lets face it the authorities world wide have had enough of this moronic behaviour, not only from England. To their credit those attending games have so far appeared to be a credit in their behaviour.
As a footnote to my comments I have personaly lost my grandson to addoption leaving me with only one method of contact once a year by post.
You may ask who am I to pass judgement in such a way, I am a farther and grandfarther, living in Spain so I certainly know what dealing with the forign poliuce is all about, I also have a son serving time in prison at the moment who prior to appearing in court told me many times how he had not done what he was accused of. BTW I still love him to bits, he is certainly of a character that many of those that know him would say "Not *****, he would not do that" We warned him many times that if he runs with the crowed he will go down with them. By the way he do wwhat he was accused of, and he is pay the cost now.
In circumstances such as this lad found himself in very often those closest to him would be the least likley to know what he is capable of.
The simple answer to the whole affair is, if you want to go to the games keep out of the way of trouble, and if it does kick of walk away, if not you will certainly end up on the wrong side of the prison bars even trying to get closer to see what is happeningplaces you nearer the front and an easier target for arrest. Lets face it the authorities world wide have had enough of this moronic behaviour, not only from England. To their credit those attending games have so far appeared to be a credit in their behaviour.
As a footnote to my comments I have personaly lost my grandson to addoption leaving me with only one method of contact once a year by post.
METALMICKY
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Uncle Buck said:
My theory was "if you can't beat them join them" and i was bored of people failing to read carefully.
METALMICKY
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seagull over spain said:
Funny this thread has died! Come on Uncle Buck & Arthur surely your missing an opportunity to misconstrue.
Uncle Buck
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METALMICKY said:
You really are looking for a row today, aren't you?
I have said from my experiences of following England what I believe is the truth, but you from your keyboard know best, so not sure what the point is.
Albion Rob
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Come on you guys, just leave it. I really don't think there is anything more constructiv to be said. I think I can boil it down to two things that hopefully you will both be happy with.
1. Some England fans bring shame on the flag by acting like wankers when they're abroad. Most fans are decent blokes but there are a proportion, however large or small, who want a punch-up in the name of England wherever they go.
2. Police forces do sometimes get it wrong, hence the guy found not guilty of all charges. Just like people are hauled in for questioning over here. If the England fans had wanted to properly contest their arrest and charge it would no doubt have been time consuming and costly so the chances are we will never find out whether they overreacted or merely waded in to break it up.
1. Some England fans bring shame on the flag by acting like wankers when they're abroad. Most fans are decent blokes but there are a proportion, however large or small, who want a punch-up in the name of England wherever they go.
2. Police forces do sometimes get it wrong, hence the guy found not guilty of all charges. Just like people are hauled in for questioning over here. If the England fans had wanted to properly contest their arrest and charge it would no doubt have been time consuming and costly so the chances are we will never find out whether they overreacted or merely waded in to break it up.
Albion Rob
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Caveman said:Really!
I know, amazing isn't it!
Fran Hagarty
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seagull over spain said:
I have heard from someone who is close to Andrew ("Billy") and am told that he was in a bar when the trouble kicked off and left straight away but, 20 mins later, the police arrested him. He hadn't done anything. Also the guy who has been jailed for 2 years was apparently not even in the area of the trouble.
No doubt there are those who will disbelieve this but, knowing the person concerned I have no reason to doubt it. He has travelled wdely following the Albion and England and has never been involved in any trouble. If he is innocent, as I believe he is, I feel extremely sorry for him and his family - especially judging by the reactions of some people on here. I can understand people feeling this way as we are all horrified at the behaviour of the yobs who bring shame on the country and tarnish the reputation of football fans, but I do not believe "Billy" is one of them.
Spot on, in my opinion there is no way in the world he would have been involved in any trouble, just a case of wrong place at the wrong time and a Portugese police stitch up, i believe 100% he's innocent too... But obviously like you say there will be the blinkered ones who disbelieve this.Fran Hagarty said:
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Dandyman
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18/6/2004 1:43:11 PM ( Source: Reuters)
England fans defiant in court
By Victoria Cutler
LONDON (Reuters) - Eight England supporters accused of football hooliganism in Portugal have vowed to challenge any banning orders slapped on them by the courts after violent clashes with police at a southern Algarve resort.
They faced a barrage of photographers and reporters as they arrived at a west London court on Friday morning, just hours after returning to Heathrow airport from the Euro 2004 tournament.
Some 33 England supporters agreed to voluntarily leave Portugal and are banned by a court there from returning for a year following two nights of rioting in Albufeira earlier this week.
Police said the eight at Uxbridge magistrates court on Friday were served with notice of banning orders, meaning they could be forced to surrender their passports to stop them travelling to England games abroad. They can contest the orders.
"I believe I am innocent. We were told that courts are seeking a banning order -- I want at least to launch an appeal against the banning order," Andrew Williams, 22, from Sussex told reporters outside the court.
England fans defiant in court
By Victoria Cutler
LONDON (Reuters) - Eight England supporters accused of football hooliganism in Portugal have vowed to challenge any banning orders slapped on them by the courts after violent clashes with police at a southern Algarve resort.
They faced a barrage of photographers and reporters as they arrived at a west London court on Friday morning, just hours after returning to Heathrow airport from the Euro 2004 tournament.
Some 33 England supporters agreed to voluntarily leave Portugal and are banned by a court there from returning for a year following two nights of rioting in Albufeira earlier this week.
Police said the eight at Uxbridge magistrates court on Friday were served with notice of banning orders, meaning they could be forced to surrender their passports to stop them travelling to England games abroad. They can contest the orders.
"I believe I am innocent. We were told that courts are seeking a banning order -- I want at least to launch an appeal against the banning order," Andrew Williams, 22, from Sussex told reporters outside the court.
Percy Tantrums
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Maybe he is innocent. But we've seen English fans causing trouble and everyone arrested always claim they were innocent. Surely the Portugese police haven't got it completly wrong and maybe the English fans are lying.
No reflection on this particular case of course.
No reflection on this particular case of course.
Fran Hagarty
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Kevin Miles, International Co-ordinator of the Football Supporters Association, is quoted as saying: " There has to be concern about the style of the arrests. I fear it is entirely possible that people who happen to be in the vicinity of the offences being perpetrated are likely to have been caught up."
Kevin was a founder member of the FSF initiative Justice for Football Fans Abroad (JFFA) and is also chair of the anti-racist educational charity, Show Racism the Red Card.
He can be contacted at: kevin.miles@fsf.org.uk
See also the following link re fair trials:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3814665.stm
Kevin was a founder member of the FSF initiative Justice for Football Fans Abroad (JFFA) and is also chair of the anti-racist educational charity, Show Racism the Red Card.
He can be contacted at: kevin.miles@fsf.org.uk
See also the following link re fair trials:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3814665.stm
elbowpatches
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Difficult to tell without knowing the facts, let further investigation tell the whole story. I'm sure that some have been wrongly convicted as some have already been proved innocent but some stuff has happened and surely someone is responsible. Whoever is responsible strong action needs to be taken, but lets have time to make judgements, sounds like the argus went OTT.
I agree with Man of Harveys, being deported to Burgess Hill is punishment enough surely?
I agree with Man of Harveys, being deported to Burgess Hill is punishment enough surely?
Fran Hagarty
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RB said:
I agree with Man of Harveys, being deported to Burgess Hill is punishment enough surely?
Errrm! Do you mind! I live there and I like it . now if you were talking about Haywards Heath, however, I would agree - that would be dire! Apologies to Bozza, DCLAD and Fatboy, amongst others ;-).
elbowpatches
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Fran Hagarty said:
My deepest sympathies, having lived close to Burgess Hill until 18 and working there, in my opinion I'd rather not, but I'm glad you enjoy the burberry.
Fran Hagarty
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RB said:My deepest sympathies, having lived close to Burgess Hill until 18 and working there, in my opinion I'd rather not, but I'm glad you enjoy the burberry.
I don't go drinking or socialising in Burgess Hill (or Haywards Heath, come to that) so I don't come across "the burberry". No doubt they exist, but that is the case everywhere. Every town has it's rough element - maybe you've only seen that side of it! it's very nice where I live!!