[Football] Bulgaria v England (7:45 ITV)

[nwgull]

When did an entire block of a stadium last abuse a black player in a Premier League match? There have been a few isolated incidents (such as that idiot at Chelsea having a go at Sterling a couple of years ago) but to compare anything that happens in the Premier League to what England face every time they play east of Germany or south of France is comparing apples with pears.

When we played Burnley last April.

 

[AmexRuislip]

When did an entire block of a stadium last abuse a black player in a Premier League match? There have been a few isolated incidents (such as that idiot at Chelsea having a go at Sterling a couple of years ago) but to compare anything that happens in the Premier League to what England face every time they play east of Germany or south of France is comparing apples with pears.

Racism is racism, it doesn't matter what size of crowd who take part, it's still abuse.
I'm just saying the England team can do their talking on the pitch, let UEFA or FIFA dish out the punishment to the Bulgarian FA

 

[hart's shirt]

We'd get awarded the 3 points anyway, so walking off after one more incident wouldn't be an issue.

It would be a undeniably defining moment in football history.

Time for racism to be kicked out of the game.

 

[blue-shifted]

100% agree. So disgusting that I'm trying to tell myself that these are just a bunch of sad insignificant scum, but my blood is boiling. If I were to come across them outside the stadium I would be getting myself in trouble.

I'm sure you could find some mates to hold you back

 

[Acker79]

Politely disagree, seen 100s of PL games and never heard even the slightest bit of racism. Even if one individual did they would be called out by the other fans and rightly so.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...g-raheem-sterling-sorry-for-abuse?share=other


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49969743

and
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ll-parks-premier-league-special-investigation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49089209

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/1007/1081670-aston-villa-condemn-own-supporters-racist-song/

And that's before wading into social media
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...after-zaha-subjected-to-racist-abuse-11986698
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49949172

 

[WATFORD zero]

We'd get awarded the 3 points anyway, so walking off after one more incident wouldn't be an issue.

It would be a undeniably defining moment in football history.

Time for racism to be kicked out of the game.

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Agree completley

Hopefully we're back to the football,

but any more shit and we should walk, its really quite simple

 

[lawros left foot]

I think Bulgaria should be banned from international games for four years, rather than a slap on the wrist small fine.
It wasn't just chants but nazi salutes and defiance from the black hoodied goons.

This, and I would include youth, under 21s under 23s etc.

Ban them all.

 

[blue-shifted]

At the risk of mentioning football, Despodov could do a job

 

[WATFORD zero]

and
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ll-parks-premier-league-special-investigation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49089209

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2019/1007/1081670-aston-villa-condemn-own-supporters-racist-song/

And that's before wading into social media
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...after-zaha-subjected-to-racist-abuse-11986698
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49949172

And how do these stories justify what that crowd of people in Bulgaria have just done, exactly

 

[Eeyore]

We'd get awarded the 3 points anyway, so walking off after one more incident wouldn't be an issue.

It would be a undeniably defining moment in football history.

Time for racism to be kicked out of the game.

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If you watch the Watford goal on YouTube in the 1984 semi final against Plymouth Argyle you may be a little shocked. Once Barnes receives the ball in the build up there is a large number joining in a monkey chorus. Not sure it was referenced at the time.

 

[lawros left foot]

Racism is racism, it doesn't matter what size of crowd who take part, it's still abuse.
I'm just saying the England team can do their talking on the pitch, let UEFA or FIFA dish out the punishment to the Bulgarian FA

What, shut another stand at a future game, a 20,000 euro fine.?

The problem is that FIFA and EUFA have spent years ignoring racism, or handing out derisory punishments.
Start banning all age groups from all international competitions and for a long time.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Yes.

Nazi salutes in the crowd?

Removal from the competition would be proportionate

I remember being in the Italian end with a mate in Eindhoven for Italy vs Sweden, Euro 2000. Many were doing the Nazi salute. Very unsavoury

 

[AmexRuislip]

Agreed, but you can get lone idiots anywhere. You could get someone dishing out racist abuse at Lord’s, on Brighton beach or down the fruit and veg aisle in Tesco. It’s not the same as thousands of people acting together in my opinion.

I think well have to agree to disagree with this subject, given our views are different

 

[Acker79]

Agreed, but you can get lone idiots anywhere. You could get someone dishing out racist abuse at Lord’s, on Brighton beach or down the fruit and veg aisle in Tesco. It’s not the same as thousands of people acting together in my opinion.

Absolutely, but lets go back to where this citing of racism in the premier league started:

Politely disagree, seen 100s of PL games and never heard even the slightest bit of racism. Even if one individual did they would be called out by the other fans and rightly so.

This is clearly wrong. No, it's not on the same scale as bulgaria, but there is racism in the premier league.

And how do these stories justify what that crowd of people in Bulgaria have just done, exactly

It doesn't and no one has claimed it does. Just, as above, one strand of conversation in this thread seemed to be suggesting there was no racism in the premier league. Clearly there is. It all needs to be addressed, not just the big stuff done by foreigners.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I’m sure that Bulgarian group that left at 45 minutes won’t be waiting for England fans outside....

 

[BensGrandad]

Doesn't the result stand after so many minutes, if it is abandoned?

That is a common myth usually said to be the 68th minute ie1st minute of the last quarter but the actual decision rests in the hands of the disciplinary committee dealing with the abandonment.

 

[Wilko]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...g-raheem-sterling-sorry-for-abuse?share=other


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49969743

Fair point, there are isolated incidents. Thankfully we do not have large numbers all making monkey chants at once like we are seeing tonight.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Absolutely, but lets go back to where this citing of racism in the premier l
eague started:



This is clearly wrong. No, it's not on the same scale as bulgaria, but there is racism in the premier league.




It doesn't and no one has claimed it does. Just, as above, one strand of conversation in this thread seemed to be suggesting there was no racism in the premier league. Clearly there is. It all needs to be addressed, not just the big stuff done by foreigners.

Someone got a lifetime ban last season at Chelsea for racism.