Brussels Airport Terrorist attack

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry for the facetious comment, but... Do you know much about the history of that area? I mean wouldn't you have had to study it? Fairly sure it's not in any mainstream school syllabus...

The reason i point this out, is the only events you will have heard will have been about troubles. Is Northern Ireland in the news much now?

Apologies if you realise this and the post was meant to push an agenda.

I didn't stop learning when I left school. I don't just watch or listen to news bulletins.

I won't try to justify my opinion on the history of the Middle East but suffice to say I have studied a lot of history of that region.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

They want us dead mate, all of us including children.

The only change they want is us not living.

you have a point

look what's happening to the christian population in Iraq

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

I didn't stop learning when I left school. I don't just watch or listen to news bulletins.

I won't try to justify my opinion on the history of the Middle East but suffice to say I have studied a lot of history of that region.

Great!
I've been reading some of the ancient history recently. It seems they had quite a few long stints of peace then. Generally when one lot had conquered the rest it was stable for a prolonged period of time. Rinse and repeat...

 

[alfredmizen]

Every time the subject of terrorism and bombing comes up we have to include and bring up the IRA. As you state the IRA wanted a united Ireland, they bombed in their own country and they bombed on the British mainland, they did not bomb in different countries/cities in Europe. Who knows which country/city will be targeted next by the Islamic terrorists who as you say "want to change your whole way of life".

Soulman , much as I agree with the general direction of your post you are forgetting Gibraltar and the targetting of british service personnel in Germany and the low countries.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Every time the subject of terrorism and bombing comes up we have to include and bring up the IRA. As you state the IRA wanted a united Ireland, they bombed in their own country and they bombed on the British mainland, they did not bomb in different countries/cities in Europe. Who knows which country/city will be targeted next by the Islamic terrorists who as you say "want to change your whole way of life".

Well of course it comes up because the reaction to the threat is built upon fear. Why do we fear one perceived threat as a greater risk than another we once stood firm against. The rhetoric is suddenly that the world is going to end etc. etc.

These Islamic terrorists 'want to change our whole way of life', so you're going to let them by allowing them to force us into changing our way of life? 44million muslims we're supposed to believe what us to change our way of life, and yet in 10 years in the whole of continental Europe they've not managed half the devastation the idiots in Ireland managed over the same period. That is scale and that is perspective. The goal of fanatics is irrelevant, they use terror to try to get what they want whether Spanish separatists, Northern Ireland dissidents, Christians against abortion, Right wing lunatics.

Who knows which country / city will be targeted next by terrorists. This is not a new question, it is a very old one.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Great!
I've been reading some of the ancient history recently. It seems they had quite a few long stints of peace then. Generally when one lot had conquered the rest it was stable for a prolonged period of time. Rinse and repeat...

Ah yes, once you were conquered and made slaves then it's all very peaceful. Put a foot wrong and get killed. Very peaceful.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Ah yes, once you were conquered and made slaves then it's all very peaceful. Put a foot wrong and get killed. Very peaceful.

Same as everywhere else then.

 

[Soulman]

Anjem Choudary Exposed radicalising youth in Belgium.

 

[sir albion]

It was always just a matter of time before the next attack and sadly this is just the beginning.

RIP to all who died

 

[BigGully]

In the decade between 1988 to 1998 the Northern Ireland troubles took 700 lives through terrorist activity in the UK and Ireland. Going back to July 2005, through to today's awful atrocity, we have seen 289 deaths across the whole of Europe associated with muslim extremism. This isn't justification for either, but it is perspective regarding threat and response.

There is an existing muslim population in Europe of some 44m muslims, plus 1m migrants or whatever that estimate is. If there was some massive Islamist plot, logic would tell you that with 44m in Europe, we would be facing far greater consequences than those we have seen. Clearly security needs to be a priority, however our way of life, the protection of our freedoms, the political future of the country should not be dictated through fear and paranoia.

Troubled times are ahead there is no hiding from that or the devastating loss of life, however cutting ourselves off from Europe won't help fight terrorists (regardless of our EU status). What Paris and Brussels has shown us (as did 9/11 to the US) that if you do not have joined up security, sharing of information, bilateral cooperation, it makes it so much harder to track and identify these threats.

Europe needs to unite at this point (again regardless of EU membership), not in any persecution of migrants or religion, but in preventing terrorism wherever that may emerge from, not forgetting one of the worst recent terrorist atrocities in Europe was a white Norwegian.

All a little bit fluffy I am afraid and your figures all skew whiff to measure, more deaths in the troubles and your impressive, yet wholly irrelevant 44m Muslims, as it doesnt represent those countries that have historically and politically been the western countries that matter and are current likely targets.

You have also misrepresented what leaving the EU might mean to our own security, Merkhal allowing 2m unknown migrants from a hornet nest of a Muslim conflict trumps any perceived loss on leaving in anycase, so its a red herring.

You lend some comfort to those that still propose multiculturalism currently Muslim lead, without incident or consequence.

Absolutely passive rubbish.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Well of course it comes up because the reaction to the threat is built upon fear. Why do we fear one perceived threat as a greater risk than another we once stood firm against. The rhetoric is suddenly that the world is going to end etc. etc.

These Islamic terrorists 'want to change our whole way of life', so you're going to let them by allowing them to force us into changing our way of life? 44million muslims we're supposed to believe what us to change our way of life, and yet in 10 years in the whole of continental Europe they've not managed half the devastation the idiots in Ireland managed over the same period. That is scale and that is perspective. The goal of fanatics is irrelevant, they use terror to try to get what they want whether Spanish separatists, Northern Ireland dissidents, Christians against abortion, Right wing lunatics.

Who knows which country / city will be targeted next by terrorists. This is not a new question, it is a very old one.

Good post.

However, it's likely to be derailed by those that can't grasp a rational argument, or by those who have an agenda.

Of course one of the dangers is the emotional types showing displacement and pushing this onto something wider than just the terrorists/radicals. Which these attacks are designed to do, producing a recruitment cycle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_(psychology)

 

[sir albion]

Do people really fear extremist attacks?
I certainly don't and I doubt most do....more chance of a coconut dropping from an apple tree than getting killed in a terrorist attack,but saying that more extreme frequent attacks may well happen.

Saying that when its your time it's your time end of

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

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You lend some comfort to those that still propose multiculturalism currently Muslim lead, without incident or consequence.

Absolutely passive rubbish.

I think you might be reading something into this that isn't there. I don't believe that anyone thinks there won't be incident or consequence. He just posted figures that showed some perspective on the situation.

 

[Buzzer]

Got to love the cod psychologists on this thread.

Don't agree with something that someone has written? Don't worry, you don't need to do any thinking or put some effort into rebuffing their opinions or anything like that. Simply assign some mental deficiency, a link to wikipedia and bingo! And as an extra bonus you can also use it for online virtue signalling. Everyone's a winner.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Well of course it comes up because the reaction to the threat is built upon fear. Why do we fear one perceived threat as a greater risk than another we once stood firm against. The rhetoric is suddenly that the world is going to end etc. etc.

These Islamic terrorists 'want to change our whole way of life', so you're going to let them by allowing them to force us into changing our way of life? 44million muslims we're supposed to believe what us to change our way of life, and yet in 10 years in the whole of continental Europe they've not managed half the devastation the idiots in Ireland managed over the same period. That is scale and that is perspective. The goal of fanatics is irrelevant, they use terror to try to get what they want whether Spanish separatists, Northern Ireland dissidents, Christians against abortion, Right wing lunatics.

Who knows which country / city will be targeted next by terrorists. This is not a new question, it is a very old one.

your argument is to simplistic

people aren't scared of terrorist attacks per say

it's the clash of cultures that are so different

a young polish kid will end up living a british way of life,he'll just have a long surname that no one can pronounce that's all

a young muslim, particularly female, will live by stringet rules,never embrassing a british way of life

it's like the british way of life is almost frowned upon

 

[sir albion]

As the Muslim population grows throughout Europe I'd say the biggest threat in decades to come is the Muslim factions bringing their religious wars here...They've been at war with eachother for centuries in their home lands and it's inevitable it will spread throughout the world.

 

[portlock seagull]

As the Muslim population grows throughout Europe I'd say the biggest threat in decades to come is the Muslim factions bringing their religious wars here...They've been at war with eachother for centuries in their home lands and it's inevitable it will spread throughout the world.

Got a point. Unfortunately not a fashionable one. Our leaders are weak and democracies always are in comparison to idealisms until the very brink is reached and then it's up for grabs as Brian Moore would say (to keep things footbally). Let's just hope the carnage isn't too great when Europe becomes embroiled in Islamic guised conflict. My money's on the Chinese steamrolling into Europe by the next century anyway. Gotta live somewhere! Them extra 10billion people (by then)! And who's going to stop a 20billion strong dictatorship? NATO? Can't even get its act together against a resurgent Russia a fraction of the size!

 

[portlock seagull]

your argument is to simplistic

people aren't scared of terrorist attacks per say

it's the clash of cultures that are so different

a young polish kid will end up living a british way of life,he'll just have a long surname that no one can pronounce that's all

a young muslim, particularly female, will live by stringet rules,never embrassing a british way of life

it's like the british way of life is almost frowned upon

This - very much. Not just here but across the world.

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

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Don't worry, you don't need to do any thinking or put some effort into rebuffing their opinions or anything like that....

Opinions are all very well, but facts are what the virtuous are into...

 

[symyjym]

Got a point. Unfortunately not a fashionable one. Our leaders are weak and democracies always are in comparison to idealisms until the very brink is reached and then it's up for grabs as Brian Moore would say (to keep things footbally). Let's just hope the carnage isn't too great when Europe becomes embroiled in Islamic guised conflict. My money's on the Chinese steamrolling into Europe by the next century anyway. Gotta live somewhere! Them extra 10billion people (by then)! And who's going to stop a 20billion strong dictatorship? NATO? Can't even get its act together against a resurgent Russia a fraction of the size!

Rather be dictated to by China than Islam if it was a choice.