Brown is the new Black

[chip]

But in my view you can't separate out the issue of private education. People who send their kids to private schools don't just want to buy a good education for their children. Crucially, they want to buy an advantage over the others. They're paying to have an edge over the majority and naturally this becomes a self-perpetuating system. The only way to remove this inequality would be to stop it.

I send my children to a private school because I believe it gives them a better opportunity to develop as individuals and question the world that they live in free from the political and social bias of the state system. The government funded Economic and Social Research Council published a review at the beginning of the week that identified the DROP in educational standards for the lowest achievers as a function of the 'socialist educational dogma' in the state sector. It proposed increasing the number of grammar and private schools as the most probable method of rasing standards accross the board.

I think all responsible parents want an advantage for their children, Darwin saw this as a fundamental feature of evolution. The truth is that there is a reason why many people are the so-called disadvantaged and that is that they have lower inate ability and thus opportunities. This is also self perpetuating and it is a delusion to think that they can be raised beyond there ability. There is a high probability that they will share these characteristics with their parents.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I am going to put my trust in Brown. He has proved to be a good chancellor and appears to do things decisively and honestly. Whilst not a raging socialist (unfortunately) he does have sound principles and some left wing values and beliefs.

He will wipe the floor with Cameron.

 

[British Bulldog]

I am going to put my trust in Brown. He has proved to be a good chancellor and appears to do things decisively and honestly. Whilst not a raging socialist (unfortunately) he does have sound principles and some left wing values and beliefs.

He will wipe the floor with Cameron.

My Railway pension has'nt exactly prospered under him!

 

[crasher]

The truth is that there is a reason why many people are the so-called disadvantaged and that is that they have lower inate ability and thus opportunities. This is also self perpetuating and it is a delusion to think that they can be raised beyond there ability. There is a high probability that they will share these characteristics with their parents.

So they're poor and disadvantaged because they're thick? So no point trying to teach them anything because it won't go in. They'd be much happier doing something manual - factory work for instance. We're doing them a favour really.

FFS Chip it's not 1868 any more.

 

[chip]

So they're poor and disadvantaged because they're thick? So no point trying to teach them anything because it won't go in. They'd be much happier doing something manual - factory work for instance. We're doing them a favour really.

FFS Chip it's not 1868 any more.

I can't find anything to disagree with there and it is certainly fairer than raisng expectations beyond that which can be achieved by the sort of social engineering you would advocate. In fact, I think all education should be private, based on merit and aptitude and, like the Bank of England, indipendent in function from the state (regardess of who actually pays for it).

 

[BensGrandad]

I was recently in Dartford, which appears to be a very deprived area of Kent, and I couldnt believe, while standing in the queue at Sainburys, a lad who appeared to be about 14 struggling to read the name of the Daily Mirror that the lady with him, presumably his mother, was buying and she read it out to him phonetically.

It made me realize how fortunate I was that my grand children even the youngest at 5 can read, albeit he is only learning.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Stop pampering to these children with parents that have english as their second language. Ban religion from being taught. Then some of these inner-city schools will be teaching the kids better.

We hear it said frequently that in some schools there is over twenty different languages. Well i'm sorry this is England and we speak english and any child sent to one of our schools should taught it. end of.

 

[BensGrandad]

My brother lives in Feltham Middlesex and last year his grandchildren were stopped doing the nativity play at school in case it offended the Hindus etc.

 

[bigc]

get your bias right....surely shouldnt it be muslims? hindus are the tolerant lot arent they?

anyway...you could argue it may well offend the non christians too, who dont want religious stories passed down in a non religious school?

 

[Cian]

and any child sent to one of our schools should taught it. end of.

Clearly you didn't partake in that teaching, then

 

[looney]

Doesn't matter if Brown calls an early election or hangs on, he will be out on his ear when the electorate get their say.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Stop pampering to these children with parents that have english as their second language. Ban religion from being taught. Then some of these inner-city schools will be teaching the kids better.

We hear it said frequently that in some schools there is over twenty different languages. Well i'm sorry this is England and we speak english and any child sent to one of our schools should taught it. end of.

So do you think that all these classes have 20 translators in them?? Of course they don't. They get taught in english.

The biggest problem with religion is all the christian teachers that teach the bible as fact.

 

[London Calling]

Stop pampering to these children with parents that have english as their second language. Ban religion from being taught. Then some of these inner-city schools will be teaching the kids better.

We hear it said frequently that in some schools there is over twenty different languages. Well i'm sorry this is England and we speak english and any child sent to one of our schools should taught it. end of.

Its a 100 in our local schools, whilst I would ban religious education, I am not actually sure why that conflicts with English being taught.

English is the only language teachers teach in, unless of course they are teaching French, German etc. In fact learnin about different cultures, their history, religions, binds the little ones together.

LC

 

[crasher]

I can't find anything to disagree with there and it is certainly fairer than raisng expectations beyond that which can be achieved by the sort of social engineering you would advocate. In fact, I think all education should be private, based on merit and aptitude and, like the Bank of England, indipendent in function from the state (regardess of who actually pays for it).

Education which is both private and "based on merit" is a contradiction in terms. Private education is available to those whose parents can afford it. Which means thick rich kids get a better education than bright, poor ones.

It's not social engineering to want equality of opportunity.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So do you think that all these classes have 20 translators in them?? Of course they don't. They get taught in english.

The biggest problem with religion is all the christian teachers that teach the bible as fact.

I was taught RE....I dont remember ever being told it was fact. Even I was told it was fact...I'm pretty sure I could have figured it was at least questionable.

 

[glasfryn]

There won't be a general election till 2009, Tories will be in disarray by then and Labour will walk it.

the Tories are now and always have been in disarray and Labour would walk it now .......................I mean have the Tories got any policies that don't mimic those of the Labour party anyway.


Labour are by no means perfect ....but they are as perfect as you are going to get