Brown Bottles It

[Tooting Gull]

Even my dog won't eat everything that's put in front of her, just because it's put in the right colour of bowl.

Is that another pop at the bobble-hatters?

 

[London Calling]

Any what percentage did Tony Bliar get in his landslide victories. Roughly what Thatcher got. It's the system; if it was proportional represenation, we would always have hung parliaments. So your argument is crap, unless you apply it both ways.

Another point, Brown could have easily stated 2 weeks ago that there would not be an election, but there was an articale in the Times last week where the ministries were telling civil servants to 'clear there desks', meaning coplete all outtanding activities and prepare for a possible election. Brown was preparing for the possibility, andf only the blind lefties on here will accept that he chickened out one the polls started to turn.

I think he will live to regret this decision, as the state of the country, economic growth, public finances are all getting worse, and the spend in the past on hospitals/education has been overall fairly ineffective. It's not how much you spend, but how well you spend it, but then again, too many will see that as being a selfish right-wing view point.

You wouldn't necessarily get hung parliaments under proportional representation, because people voting would change with the increase in choice of political parties.

TBH as punters we will not know, how much this was intentionally stoked up by Labour to prepare for an election, or just going along for a ride. The Times article in all respects is bollocks, Civil Servants are apolitical, their work carries on regardless of an election. And remember Civil Servants do not implement policies.

 

[NMH]

Since you seem unable to give the Tories even the slighest bit of credit, let me spell it out for you.

Brown, seeing the Tories in trouble (as they were, only a matter of weeks ago), thinks there is political gain to be made out of a snap election (gains, and allowing him to roll out 'I have been given a mandate by the people' spiel), releases rumours that there may be a snap election.

Tories respond by drawing up some fairly populist policies, and present them at their party conference, to make it look like they are ready for an election. They go down well.

Brown then realises that his plan has backfired, and that the Tories are likely to be the ones to make gains from any snap election. Calls the whole thing off.

Cameron gains qudos (sp.) for putting the frighteners on Brown. Brown gains some knowledge of which way the Tories are heading with taxation policy.

As Buzzer points out, are you really saying that you are better informed and more aware of the goings on in and around Westminster than pretty much every political analyst in the country?

Nope.
But because I disagreed with some of your guff doesn't mean I'm wrong either.

I would ALSO like to see what Brown wants to do, and how he leads the country - before I vote - without Cameron's pathetic idea that that right should be taken away from me.

IF Cameron is so confident that Brown is the wrong man - why doesn't he let him get on with it, so the voters will be able to SEE FOR THEMSELVES?

 

[NMH]

But that's because YOU'RE the only person that she has to rely on for information. If you put it out, and a hundred people came in and agreed that it looked good and was edible, surely she'd eat it then? Unless she's a particularly stupid dog!

Just like John Majors, "she is her own dog"

 

[Buzzer]

You would have been an excellent voter for GW Bush.
Even my dog won't eat everything that's put in front of her, just because it's put in the right colour of bowl.

Oh, I see. I'm deluded because I accept that if there's universal consensus on the fact that Brown erred, that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Brown erred.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, there.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

although on NSC Thatcher is muttered in the same breath as Hitler , Mussolini and Bin Laden a hell of a ot of people in this country still regard Thatcher as the best PM this country has ever had

Old people with old, irrelevant and redundant views maybe. The only good thing Thatcher has done is cast a long shadow over the tories which makes them squabble and fight and ultimately become unelectable come election time. Long may this continue.

 

[London Calling]

As a point, I haven't seen a poll yet that would have given a Conservative victory, the ones I have seen, seem to show a reduced majority for Labour albeit a healthy one.

 

[NMH]

Oh, I see. I'm deluded because I accept that if there's universal consensus on the fact that Brown erred, that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Brown erred.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake, there.

You're welcome.

 

[Buzzer]

Old people with old, irrelevant ....

and there we go again. Don't agree with the NSC political fascists? Your views must be irrelevant and redundant. Cheers for that. Nice to know you have such a high regard for democracy. Perhaps we could simply disenfranchise these people - they don't deserve to be able to vote if they're gonna vote for someone you disagree with.

 

[NMH]

But that's because YOU'RE the only person that she has to rely on for information. If you put it out, and a hundred people came in and agreed that it looked good and was edible, surely she'd eat it then? Unless she's a particularly stupid dog!

If a dog eats the best food, it won't eat shit.

 

[NMH]

and there we go again. Don't agree with the NSC political fascists? Your views must be irrelevant and redundant. Cheers for that. Nice to know you have such a high regard for democracy. Perhaps we could simply disenfranchise these people - they don't deserve to be able to vote if they're gonna vote for someone you disagree with.

A trail of toys already coming from the tory pram

 

[Buzzer]

If a dog eats the best food, it won't eat shit.

well do all of us dog-lovers a favour then. By all means feed your dog but please don't talk to it. The poor thing will drown in the megalomaniac bullshit emanating from your mouth.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

It seems that Brown is the new yellow.

 

[sten_super]

If a dog eats the best food, it won't eat shit.

I'm sorry, I don't believe you. I don't believe that you don't put any credence in the views of political experts.

What I do believe is that in this case the experts opinion doesn't suit your argument, so you are therefore saying that they are all wrong.

 

[NMH]

well do all of us dog-lovers a favour then. By all means feed your dog but please don't talk to it. The poor thing will drown in the megalomaniac bullshit emanating from your mouth.

Got an issue?

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[NMH]

Nope.
But because I disagreed with some of your guff doesn't mean I'm wrong either.

I would ALSO like to see what Brown wants to do, and how he leads the country - before I vote - without Cameron's pathetic idea that that right should be taken away from me.

IF Cameron is so confident that Brown is the wrong man - why doesn't he let him get on with it, so the voters will be able to SEE FOR THEMSELVES?

I believe that stands as the 'bottom line' from my point of view, so you people with an agenda to paint Brown as a bottler, Cameron as a sage, me as a megolamaniac etc - you can piss up your own kilts, because I think this is a fair enough thing to ask for.

If you rush to eat the shite that Cameron and cronies are blithering out, just don't ask for ketchup.

b'bye now

 

[Goodfella]

Got an issue?

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Love the way he gives a blow by blow account of his policies.

 

[DJ Leon]

and there we go again. Don't agree with the NSC political fascists? Your views must be irrelevant and redundant. Cheers for that. Nice to know you have such a high regard for democracy. Perhaps we could simply disenfranchise these people - they don't deserve to be able to vote if they're gonna vote for someone you disagree with.

Oh purlease. He disagrees with you - get over it. Argue back and win the argument instead of giving us all this crap about your views being made to look irrelevent and redundent. He could say exactly the same thing when you disagree with him and tell him he's speaking nonsense!

 

[Buzzer]

Oh purlease. He disagrees with you - get over it. Argue back and win the argument instead of giving us all this crap about your views being made to look irrelevent and redundent. He could say exactly the same thing when you disagree with him and tell him he's speaking nonsense!

Eh? I've been arguing on this thread my views. I'm merely pointing out that Herr T thinks that people who liked Thatcher are irrelevant and redundant. Easier to dismiss your opponents than debate isn't it?

Note that I say people and not 'me' as I was never a fan of Thatcher so do not include myself in that bracket. Jumping to conclusions again, eh?

 

[cannedheat]

Oh purlease.

How nice what a chummy word Oh purlease, can I do it it again Oh purlease, faint whiff of lavender there mate, one more before I go again Oh purlease.

TA TA KUNT