Two Professors
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Oh dear,let's all change to the religion of peace,and kill everybody else.Sunni's only.
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[Politics] British IS Girl wanting to return to the UK
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Oh dear,let's all change to the religion of peace,and kill everybody else.Sunni's only.
Both equally backward. A fundamental difference however, is that the Quran is believed (by Muslims) to be the direct word of god, and so the extreme parts are still preached by many Imams, whereas the Bible was written by a collection of Christian authors and supposed prophets (if you asked Christians today who wrote the Bible, they'd give different answers), and Priests don't tend to preach the backward values you quoted.
McTavish
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Most Christians believe that the whole bible is the word of God revealed through various people. In that radical hotbed of fundamentalism, The Church of England, almost all scripture readings are finished by the reader saying "This is the word of the Lord" and the congregation reply, "Thanks be to God." How this is interpreted is a whole different thing, as it is in Islam.
Some of the Bible is not even supposed to be the word of god, some of it is descriptions of things that are claimed happened (eg, the work of Jesus), as told by witnesses, not as told by god. Not all churches us the 'This is the word of the Lord' ending (it's also a relatively modern tradition).
Even those parts that are supposed to be direct from God, they are Gods message interpreted by an author. The Quran is different. Muslims believe there is only one Quran (there isn't) and that every single word is identical to that spoken by god.
Don't know if this is bollocks , it is from the Sun though .
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8450050/shamima-begum-isis-named-baby-jarrah-husband/
ISIS bride Shamima Begum names baby son Jarrah ‘after barbaric jihadi warlord who massacred Jews’ at the request of her terrorist husband
She told Sky News: "It's a boy. I named him after my old son [who died] - that's what my husband wanted."
Although Begum has urged her family in the UK, who she ran away from in 2015, to not “give up on trying to get me back”, it emerged yesterday that she has named the child Jarrah.
David Vance, of AltNewsMedia, wrote in response: “Begum named her son ‘Jarrah’ as she says [that’s what] her ISIS terrorist husband wanted.
“The obscure name comes from a jihad warlord named ‘Abu Ubaidah bin Jarrah’ who launched a massacre of the entire Jewish population in Khaybar, over 1,300 years ago.
“She is an unrepentant terrorist concubine who must not be allowed back to the UK.”
There was also debate over her choice of baby’s name on Twitter.
Historian and author Tom Holland suggested: “If she’d wanted to signal that she was returning to Britain in peace, she might have considered naming her baby after someone other than Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah.
“[He was] a general from the early days of the Arab conquests chiefly famed for beating the c*** out of infidels.”
According to Radio Islam, al-Jarrah was a merchant who was “one of the ten companions of the Prophet Muhammad who were promised Paradise as mentioned in early Islamic historical accounts and records.
“He remained commander of a large section of Muslim armies during the time of the Caliph ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab RA and was on the list of Umar’s appointed successors to the Caliphate.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8450050/shamima-begum-isis-named-baby-jarrah-husband/
ISIS bride Shamima Begum names baby son Jarrah ‘after barbaric jihadi warlord who massacred Jews’ at the request of her terrorist husband
She told Sky News: "It's a boy. I named him after my old son [who died] - that's what my husband wanted."
Although Begum has urged her family in the UK, who she ran away from in 2015, to not “give up on trying to get me back”, it emerged yesterday that she has named the child Jarrah.
David Vance, of AltNewsMedia, wrote in response: “Begum named her son ‘Jarrah’ as she says [that’s what] her ISIS terrorist husband wanted.
“The obscure name comes from a jihad warlord named ‘Abu Ubaidah bin Jarrah’ who launched a massacre of the entire Jewish population in Khaybar, over 1,300 years ago.
“She is an unrepentant terrorist concubine who must not be allowed back to the UK.”
There was also debate over her choice of baby’s name on Twitter.
Historian and author Tom Holland suggested: “If she’d wanted to signal that she was returning to Britain in peace, she might have considered naming her baby after someone other than Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah.
“[He was] a general from the early days of the Arab conquests chiefly famed for beating the c*** out of infidels.”
According to Radio Islam, al-Jarrah was a merchant who was “one of the ten companions of the Prophet Muhammad who were promised Paradise as mentioned in early Islamic historical accounts and records.
“He remained commander of a large section of Muslim armies during the time of the Caliph ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab RA and was on the list of Umar’s appointed successors to the Caliphate.”
It works in reverse though, For example, there is nothing in Jesus's teaching that proscribes homosexuality - the only mentions are in Paul's epistles about "those who defile themselves with mankind". Jesus says absolutely zilch on the subject, so it's certainly not the 'word of God' (whatever that is).
But that doesn't stop Christian bakers and guesthouse owners say that being gay is an affront to their Christian belief.
The Spanish
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The most idiotic thing is what you have just posted. A true Muslim will follow the teachings of Islam. Maybe you need to educate yourself ? You have no idea what you are talking about.That's the most idiotic and prejudiced thing I have seen written on here for quite a while.
I know plenty of moderate Muslims.
Watch this must see video of an ex Turkish Muslim who was very deep into his religion before leaving Islam. This bloke knows more than anyone i know on this subject. This Turk is one of my favorite Youtubers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0EAZ0enmZg
symyjym
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I'm more worried about the moderate view in the UK tbh:
https://youtu.be/TdDrwRyiNpE
Muslims have to believe that everything Muhammad did was moral as a condition to being a Muslim, and that the the Quran, Hadiths and Sunnah are infallible.
They have to psychologically normalise things that can never be. The apologetics on child brides and consent is a fascinating example, but only scratches the surface, and the people fighting this ideology on the front line are doing a great service to the country.
That is bad. Bit like naming your son Winston or Richard (Lionheart).
symyjym
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I've subscribed to The Apostate Prophet.. I always take note of what ex Muslims say but even they are accused of being Islamaphobes. Too much attention is put on Tommy Robinson and maybe that is the intention by the Alt Left.
This guy is great. Knows his stuff.
symyjym
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Haven't come across them but will check it out.
I keep up to date with debates in Speakers Corner and Kalam from TITANS TV is a good channel to keep an eye on. He sometimes gets death threats but he is very smart the way he deals with it: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBYiM-P8lc6oT174EhwW7ew
There are few other channels that cover what is going on but he knows the Quran and scriptures better than the average Muslim, and tackles their theology head on.
I see Speakers Corner as being the front line melting pot in a battle of wills in the UK. Lots of extreme views from moderate Muslims so this ISIS woman would feel very much at home.
Yes she is radicalised but what evidence have you uncovered to suggest that she is a terrorist (using the standard and accepted definition below).
Terrorist
/ˈtɛrərɪst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
She thinks the Manchester bombing was justified. If she does come back to the UK, she is going to need protection from the police, if she keeps making such inflammatory comments.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...yria-justified-manchester-arena-a4069761.html
Please note, I am not condoning such actions, but I could forsee it happening.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...yria-justified-manchester-arena-a4069761.html
Please note, I am not condoning such actions, but I could forsee it happening.
Sussex Nomad
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Or let's all just believe there is no such thing as religion, and it was all made up?
Have you not see a picture of her?
Christians around the world have their own take on things. That helps when avoiding some of the more disgusting text in the Bible. It's not so easy to ignore it if you're a Muslim though, as you really believe it's what god says. Bonkers.
Sussex Nomad
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Wasn't the bible written some 300 years after the death of this bloke called JC? With nothing to go on but chinese whispers in those days, can the bible not be seen as a load of bollocks? Same with the Quaran. Religion is a total load of hogwash and those that follow it basically need to be lead.