Brilliant stuff from David Cameron today

[Bold Seagull]

Labour and ukip idiots everywhere it seems.

The conservatives are making the UK one of only few countries in the UK to have a lot of economic progress the last few years. Yes, there have been cuts, but nothing drastic. You make your country a good place to do business and the country gains.that's how all the Asian countries are growing. But none of them have the privileges that citizens in the UK get for example. Free health care, very few currupt police etc .

Everyone thinks they are owed something these days. A nation of whingers lol.

 

[Buzzer]

I didn't realise we were limiting ourselves to Human Rights - I had said Europe dealing with the bigger issues such as human rights, we were discussing European legislation as a whole - at least I think we were.

I'm pretty sure I was talking specifically about the HRA. I mentioned it 4 times in the post you replied to.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I'm pretty sure I was talking specifically about the HRA. I mentioned it 4 times,

Well, you did latch onto a reply I gave to someone else. You may have been talking specifically about it, but I wasn't aware of that. If you want to bypass banking regulation we can if you don't fancy it?

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

And we foolishly followed their fixed term idea. All this does is turn the last year into one long election campaign when there are more pressing issue to deal with.

Two sides to this.

Last year of a Government can become a year long election campaign, and as has been seen in the States nothing gets done.

Conversely, it stops the party in power calling the shots as to when an election can be called - in the past a couple of good polls and the incumbent Government could call an election at short notice.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Labour and ukip idiots everywhere it seems.

The conservatives are making the UK one of only few countries in the UK to have a lot of economic progress the last few years. Yes, there have been cuts, but nothing drastic. You make your country a good place to do business and the country gains.that's how all the Asian countries are growing. But none of them have the privileges that citizens in the UK get for example. Free health care, very few currupt police etc .

Everyone thinks they are owed something these days. A nation of whingers lol.

Nice reasoned debate there - I can only conclude you're the head of the Oxford University debating society.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Aggressive? Oh, get over yourself. I'm poking fun at you. I notice you've got a little bit more defensive of late when Europe and Germany comes up and I'm teasing you about it. How many times in the last fortnight have you posted "You don't get this in Germany"? Quid pro quo, my pan-European chum.

My point about the US is that you call people Little Englanders yet take a perverse position about American politics that isn't even unique to their system and you've not answered the point about why fixed term elections in the US are bad but apparently okay in the EU.

I assumed the big inferences you were making from such little information were born out a rush to connect the dots. They did not seem to be the result of clear thinking....just read the line about 'apparently okay in the EU.' this is another leap of faith; I do not like them period. But, you have now told me otherwise which I am happy to accept.

The reason I mentioned the US is because my post was in the context of the US; In fact I quoted a post about the country. I was extending/following on from SHC's thinking about how we are possibly copying US electoral characteristics. I was simply pointing out we have taken another element of their process.

 

[pastafarian]

From most of the posts I have read, I detect very few floating voters, seems like most of you have your colours nailed firmly on.

Very disappointing to see so many closed minds, using so many cliched arguments.

i am a what you would class now as a floating voter,dont mind admitting my vote has always been tory,i am torn whether or not to vote UKIP in the next election,If i voted today however Cameron would get my vote firstly because of the economy but more importantly he said he would scrap The Human Rights Act......absolute vote winner for me above many other issues......this crap law has been abused beyond belief......im astonished those on the left oppose scrapping this act and the replacing of it with the "newer version" of the British Bill Of Rights
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[Buzzer]

Well, you did latch onto a reply I gave to someone else. You may have been talking specifically about it, but I wasn't aware of that. If you want to bypass banking regulation we can if you don't fancy it?

Okay, if we take this back. HT states that he doesn't trust the UK with human rights legislation...Talk of wrongness and danger and need for broader consensus.... Somerset replied, something about a bell curve and middle of ignorance. Nothing about banking in either. Lots of references to extremism in Europe, HT specifically mentions human rights, Somerset implies it. You then posted about Euro courts addressing extreme circumstances and preventing this happening and specifically mention the HRA. Nothing about banking. ....so I replied about the HRA. I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about that. I mentioned it 4 times. I didn't mention banking once.

Were you really not aware we were talking about the HRA? Really?

 

[Nibble]

You can legally make a case that human rights should apply to corporations, including banks, it has been successfully done before so I imagine any change to the human rights act will not reduce our rights directly but increase the rights of DC's corporate chums.

 

[easynow]

Nice reasoned debate there - I can only conclude you're the head of the Oxford University debating society.

Just a guy that lives 7 months of year in the Philippines. A positive mindset country with f-all.

 

[pastafarian]

You can legally make a case that human rights should apply to corporations, including banks, it has been successfully done before so I imagine any change to the human rights act will not reduce our rights directly but increase the rights of DC's corporate chums.

that is very worrying that Cameron wants to increase the rights of corporations after a change in the Human Rights Act,can you supply a link please?

 

[Buzzer]

I assumed the big inferences you were making from such little information were born out a rush to connect the dots.

Assumptions, eh?

 

[Nibble]

that is very worrying that Cameron wants to increase the rights of corporations after a change in the Human Rights Act,can you supply a link please?

Can't do as it's from memory of a conversation I had with a human rights solicitor. It's only my speculation anyway so not solid fact. Though I'm lead to believe a legal prescident has been set some years ago.

 

[pastafarian]

Can't do as it's from memory of a conversation I had with a human rights solicitor. It's only my speculation anyway so not solid fact. Though I'm lead to believe a legal prescident has been set some years ago.

oh well 9 out of 10 for made up bollocks.....1 out of 10 for fact based drivel

 

[Nibble]

oh well 9 out of 10 for made up bollocks.....1 out of 10 for fact based drivel

Everything okay chap? Eating properly? Ringing your Mum?

 

[spring hall convert]

albeit I prefer DC to Ed........and they are blue not red so will prob get my vote!!

Why if you acknowledge it's all crap anyway? Vote for something you believe in, sod the limitations of the electorial system, if everyone did the same things would change. At the very least you could hold your head high knowing that you haven't contributed to this left vs right mirage.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Were you really not aware we were talking about the HRA? Really?

I wasn't aware we couldn't deviate from it specifically…

I gave you an example i.e. banking regulation, which could be seen an analogous the general principles of the discussion… or are you poking fun at me too?

 

[spring hall convert]

that is very worrying that Cameron wants to increase the rights of corporations after a change in the Human Rights Act,can you supply a link please?

It wouldn't be the greatest leap of faith to think that it's a possibility. Look at the current transparency regarding fracking for instance.

 

[Buzzer]

I wasn't aware we couldn't deviate from it specifically…

I gave you an example i.e. banking regulation, which could be seen an analogous the general principles of the discussion… or are you poking fun at me too?

Deviate all you like. It's a basic human right. Probably.

 

[Nibble]

oh well 9 out of 10 for made up bollocks.....1 out of 10 for fact based drivel

I wasn't totally correct but this is sort of what I was thinking about. Quick tip though, do a bit of googling before typing aggressive rhetoric, that way people are more likely to listen to you on the rare occasion you get something correct.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/corporation-person.htm