[Misc] Brighton ignores St George’s Day

[Wrong-Direction]

But other countries with a much larger far right voting population than us (most European countries for a start) manage to go all out and (largely) positively celebrate their national day - for example the Dutch?

I couldn't care less either way for the record, but I'm not sure that really is the reason as if we did choose to go all out as a nation those morons would be a very small minority

So many folk here seem to think we're the only nation who have a section of obnoxious morons like those in the video. We're really, really not. Racism/nationalism is alive and kicking all across Europe, much more than here in a lot of countries

That's depressing

 

[Hamilton]

Oh my country, what a beautiful country you are.

 

[BN41Albion]

Out of interest,

That's depressing

Yep.
But a good reminder that while we have an issue with racism/nationalism, we're by far the worst and actually one of the most inclusive multicultural countries in Europe on the whole

 

[BadFish]

We don't celebrate St George's day because...

1) We never did
2) As a predominantly Protestant country we are a bit meh on saints.
3) The Church of England (THE ENGLISH CHURCH INNIT) were always a bit down on a mystical foreigner.
4) We can't use it as a proxy for "independence", because lets face it we've always been in charge except that anomaly when those French f******* sneaked over in Bexhill in 1066. . The East Sussex tourist board even refer to it as "1066 country" the woke traitors.
5) If you had religious education in the 1970s and the vicar asked you "draw a dragon" he was clearly stoned or a groomer.

I don't long for a "national day" because they are shit, really really shit. Let's celebrate the fact we don't need one.

Having first hand experienced the usual St Patricks Day commercialised carnage in Liverpool recently, the Australia day completely compromised, USA independence ? best rid - Let's just take the moral high ground and say we saw all this coming and decided YEARS ago not to have one.

We decided to not to celebrate because we thankful we are English and all the advantages it has given us.

Can we pick a day when we can all celebrate not having a national day??

Perhaps April the 23rd would suffice?

 

[BadFish]

We decided to not to celebrate because we thankful we are English and all the advantages it has given us.

"Every day is bloody England day ya daft foreign bloody simpletons."

This is what I shout to the Aussies in response to them asking about our national day. Usually on my way to having a nice cup of tea, a fry up and a listen to the Smiths, The Cure and The Jam* before settling down to a rousing watch of Blackadder **

*replace with your chosen genre (expect metal or country because they are too much)

** Did it win the NSC hardest comedy competition in the end?

 

[Bakero]

We don't celebrate St George's day because...

1) We never did
2) As a predominantly Protestant country we are a bit meh on saints.
3) The Church of England (THE ENGLISH CHURCH INNIT) were always a bit down on a mystical foreigner.
4) We can't use it as a proxy for "independence", because lets face it we've always been in charge except that anomaly when those French f******* sneaked over in Bexhill in 1066. . The East Sussex tourist board even refer to it as "1066 country" the woke traitors.
5) If you had religious education in the 1970s and the vicar asked you "draw a dragon" he was clearly stoned or a groomer.

I don't long for a "national day" because they are shit, really really shit. Let's celebrate the fact we don't need one.

Having first hand experienced the usual St Patricks Day commercialised carnage in Liverpool recently, the Australia day completely compromised, USA independence ? best rid - Let's just take the moral high ground and say we saw all this coming and decided YEARS ago not to have one.

We decided to not to celebrate because we thankful we are English and all the advantages it has given us.

I certainly don't long for a national day either. Even getting an extra bank holiday makes no odds to me as I'm a freelancer living abroad. However, I have to take you up on the first point.

Historically, St George's Day was one of the most important feast days in England, really taking centre stage after Agincourt. The festivities did start to decline 200-odd years ago, after which there have a been a few attempts at revival with varying success, notably by the Scout movement.

In general Saints Days were a big deal in the middle ages but as you suggest, the rise of protestantism put an end to this. But even after the post-Reformation clamp down on saint veneration, George was still celebrated.

As I previously said, a national day isn't necessary or desirable imo but I don't mind if others want one. The goons we see in the videos above will ensure it doesn't happen any time soon though.

 

[A1X]

England’s national day should be the hottest day of any year, it’s the day we most unite as a country and collectively agree “I mean if anything it’s too hot, it’s the humidity that’s the problem”

 

[Bry Nylon]

Let’s be honest here. Those videos don’t show anyone celebrating anything.

Just a bunch of no hopers using it as an excuse to go to the pub all day

Bit of a disrespectful way to talk about the police.

97 infraction points issued

 

[Papa Lazarou]

England’s national day should be the hottest day of any year, it’s the day we most unite as a country and collectively agree “I mean if anything it’s too hot, it’s the humidity that’s the problem”

Yep. 'I've been to X and it was hot there, but a dry heat'

 

[Nicks]

Perhaps this offers some insight into why so many people ignore St George’s day and all the accompanying flag waving flummery.

Police clash with St George’s Day protesters at central London rally

Far-right supporters among those believed to be attending march on Whitehall, with at least six arrests made

www.theguardian.com

Have you watched the full video on YouTube? Tells the whole story
Two sets of peaceful marchers coming from two different directions and the police decided to shut the road off and kettle them in for no reason

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Have you watched the full video on YouTube? Tells the whole story
Two sets of peaceful marchers coming from two different directions and the police decided to shut the road off and kettle them in for no reason

There was a reason, they were told they could not march to the Cenotaph but decided they’d ignore this and push through the police line.

 

[Whitley Bayster]

There's a bloke in Lewes who flies the flag of St Edmund in his garden, England's original patron saint before he was usurped by George. I wonder who'd win in a saint-off?

St Edmund is a far superior saint and has a much better flag! The ancient English white dragon on a white background. For a start he is actually English (proper Anglo Saxon) none of that Turkish nonsense! He was a Christian martyr in the 9th century. Executed by Vikings when he refused to give up his faith. He was tied to a tree shot through with arrow and beheaded. His decapitated head is said to have been reunited with its body with the help of a talking wolf who protected the head and then called out “Hic, Hic, Hic” (“Here, Here, Here”) to alert Edmund’s followers. He was replaced as the English saint during the crusades when Richard I had his head turned when visiting the tomb of St George. St Edmund and his mental wolf wins hands down and we should change the flag whilst we are at it

 

[PTC Gull]

Looks like I was wrong, and that is indeed your Lodz.

What a nice surprise to see my wife’s home town mentioned on NSC.

 

[PTC Gull]

If you know how to say Łódź, that joke falls a little flat.

#polishpronunciationpedantry

As my wife is from there I agree but it’s a nice play on words. She even thought it was clever.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

BBC Four - For Folk's Sake: Morris Dancing and Me

Richard Macer asks what can save the male Morris dancer from extinction. The answer, women

www.bbc.co.uk

This bbc4 doc on Morris Dancing is very good and might slightly change your mind

I watched this just now.
I am prepared to admit that it's not actively harmful, even if I happen to find it singularly irritating.

 

[Eeyore]

The whole identity thing is nuts anyway. My birth mother was born in Nigeria to Scots and Welsh parents. My DNA tree shows I would have been on the French side at the battle of Trafalgar. So a 'Trafalgar Day' is no good for me.

Nah, stick to Sussex Day. 16th June folks. Immigrants welcome.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

The whole identity thing is nuts anyway. My birth mother was born in Nigeria to Scots and Welsh parents. My DNA tree shows I would have been on the French side at the battle of Trafalgar. So a 'Trafalgar Day' is no good for me.

Nah, stick to Sussex Day. 16th June folks. Immigrants welcome.

As far as the DNA thing's concerned presumably you could (for example) be descended from hugeneots or royalists who moved from France to Britain around that time? Or indeed didn't move then but wouldn't have supported Napoleon anyway. I tend to be somewhat cynical about what these things actually tell us in themselves. And it does, as you say, make a mockery of the whole identity thing.

Prime example, Marc Brunel left France during the revolution and then designed the machinery used to make rigging blocks for the Royal Navy. Isambard Kingdom Brunel was then born in Britain in 1806. His only ship building experience prior to designing the SS Great Western was playing with toy boats on the sea in Brighton as a child.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

St Edmund is a far superior saint and has a much better flag! The ancient English white dragon on a white background. For a start he is actually English (proper Anglo Saxon) none of that Turkish nonsense! He was a Christian martyr in the 9th century. Executed by Vikings when he refused to give up his faith. He was tied to a tree shot through with arrow and beheaded. His decapitated head is said to have been reunited with its body with the help of a talking wolf who protected the head and then called out “Hic, Hic, Hic” (“Here, Here, Here”) to alert Edmund’s followers. He was replaced as the English saint during the crusades when Richard I had his head turned when visiting the tomb of St George. St Edmund and his mental wolf wins hands down and we should change the flag whilst we are at it

He was king of East Anglia. Buried in Bury St Edmunds, would you believe?

 

[Randy McNob]

As has been mentioned, a patron saint is a roman Catholic tradition, The English have mostly rejected Catholic traditions since Henry the VIII. Ireland is still a deeply Catholic country so logically St Patricks day is observed and celebrated. If you take a similar country, for example the Netherlands, their National Day is Kings Day where they celebrate the Monarch's Birthday, and is also not a prediominantly Catholic country anymore. perhaps we could do that here, although we should have started it when Elizabeth II was still on the throne, but it would be the only logical day to have a national day in England. Better that than having a mob of uneducated and confused bigots

 

[BadFish]

As has been mentioned, a patron saint is a roman Catholic tradition, The English have mostly rejected Catholic traditions since Henry the VIII. Ireland is still a deeply Catholic country so logically St Patricks day is observed and celebrated. If you take a similar country, for example the Netherlands, their National Day is Kings Day where they celebrate the Monarch's Birthday, and is also not a prediominantly Catholic country anymore. perhaps we could do that here, although we should have started it when Elizabeth II was still on the throne, but it would be the only logical day to have a national day in England. Better that than having a mob of uneducated and confused bigots

We, in Australia enjoy a day off for the kings birthday. Happens to be near my birthday too,

Which is nice/