[News] Brighton & Hove Children walk out in Solidarity for Peace, or half a day skiving.

[Zeberdi]

Logically, it is very much needed in Hove, shirley a soft target for antisemites away from the well known London diaspora.

I’m inclined to agree - I often thought the same in ‘darker moments’ - Muslim schools and mosques also need protection - what a sad divisive world we have become and now children having to deal with this stuff too after literally being traumatised or having mental health problems relating to the enforced lockdown. Many kids are suffering from PTSD following the Covid pandemic (at least according to the PTSD clinic and my Long Covid Clinic nurse I spoke to yesterday ) so this War is coming on top of all that - watching or getting involved in something that is happening to others miles away can trigger MH problems and secondhand trauma even in adults including PTSD symptoms but for kids witnessing the horrors of war and natural disasters with constant exposure to it on the news and social media - it is even harder to process…there are so many existential fears in their lives - I grew up under the shadow of the post-Cuban missile crisis (and remember being told we should hide under our desks in the event of a nuclear attack ) that triggered some pretty intense anxieties at times but it was nothing like the world is today for kids and young people.

This link has some good advice I think

How to Handle Secondhand Trauma With Kids

Television and social media can create the same effects as experiencing a trauma firsthand. And, in some cases, it can be even more psychologically damaging.

www.psycom.net

and this

Helping Children Cope After a Traumatic Event

Helping Children Cope After a Traumatic Event

childmind.org

I haven’t been to a London synagogue in years but after doing a little surfing, some at least do indeed employ armed security so I wouldn’t be surprised if the synagogues in Brighton do - all adding to the climate of fear around racial and religious diversity which is maybe something we need to look perhaps - is there a certain amount of hysteria going on too? Is it being whipped up deliberately by political agendas? These are just questions to ask while of course taking all risk very seriously.

The virulent antisemitism that faces the Jewish community, and its absorption into society

Security guards have been posted outside of synagogues for many years, and in our current climate they may become more and more necessary.

www.thisislocallondon.co.uk

Differences in perceived threat and trauma in children during the COVID-19 pandemic - Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Mental Health

Background The past 2 years of the COVID-19 pandemic were stressful for most children and adolescents; some children may have experienced a high level of stress and trauma. To date, no study has examined self-reported stress and trauma levels due to COVID-19 in children. This study aimed to...

capmh.biomedcentral.com

 

[Hamilton]

I think that's extraordinarily harsh

I've not seen anything from @Zeberdi that justifies such a take.

Try his editing my post in quoting me to remove a rather essential line.

Also note how he first tries to suggest I’m creating and anti-Israel/Hamas thread and then claiming that by writing ‘anti’ he somehow meant antipathy.

The strange thing is that I do read his posts with interest. I think he just jumped in and had a crack without thinking.

And yes, it did piss me off.

 

[Zeberdi]

It is sad that the likes of Braverman and Sunak have turned the demonstrations for peace into terrifying hate mobs. By playing with the truth for their own political ends they have created panic and fear for many in the Jewish community. Whilst all acts of racism and anti semitism are utterly deplorable, defining posters and slogans in support of the Palestinians as acts of anti semitism has helped massively inflate recorded hate crimes.

One if the more sensible posts on this thread and it is this context that we should be concerned how our kids our responding to events they see on the news IMO

Every since the events on 7/10 , the entrenched and biased views of people who are completely unaware of their own bias, appalling religious and racial stereotyping and mob-mentality, as well as a refusal to look at facts has dominated discussions around this issue - it has created an incredibly febrile atmosphere in the UK, both on the streets and on social media, one that is hyper-charged with racial tension.

Never mind there’s a need for peace in the ME, we don’t even have ‘peace’ in the UK. I hope the kids keep protesting but wishing them every safety and protection while doing so, not just from physical risk but emotional risk too

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Try his editing my post in quoting me to remove a rather essential line.

Also note how he first tries to suggest I’m creating and anti-Israel/Hamas thread and then claiming that by writing ‘anti’ he somehow meant antipathy.

The strange thing is that I do read his posts with interest. I think he just jumped in and had a crack without thinking.

And yes, it did piss me off.

Fair enough. I didn't know all the details. It seemed odd for you, a man of massive sangfroid to get testy. I hope it was just a cock up rather than a conspiracy. Eh Zebs?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

One if the more sensible posts on this thread and it is this context that we should be concerned how our kids our responding to events they see on the news IMO

Every since the events on 7/10 , the entrenched and biased views of people who are completely unaware of their own bias, appalling religious and racial stereotyping and mob-mentality, as well as a refusal to look at facts has dominated discussions around this issue - it has created an incredibly febrile atmosphere in the UK, both on the streets and on social media, one that is hyper-charged with racial tension.

Never mind there’s a need for peace in the ME, we don’t even have ‘peace’ in the UK. I hope the kids keep protesting but wishing them every safety and protection while doing so, not just from physical risk but emotional risk too

Just glad I don't read newspapers or watch channel 5. (obviously I'd need to be criminally insane to watch GBNews). Just looking at the newspaper headlines in Sainsburys had me all triggered. I may have raised an eyebrow.

 

[Zeberdi]

Fair enough. I didn't know all the details. It seemed odd for you, a man of massive sangfroid to get testy. I hope it was just a cock up rather than a conspiracy. Eh Zebs?

No conspiracy- I often only quote the parts of someone’s post that contains the points Im addressing - can’t be bothered with it to be honest and have chosen to ignore all subsequent comments that continue to accuse me of bulling people into submission on the Hamas thread - this is the second poster in as many days - just one more added to the list - why they don’t use the ignore thread/user button I don’t know - perhaps you could franchise out your list HT for general use

 

[Zeberdi]

Just glad I don't read newspapers or watch channel 5. (obviously I'd need to be criminally insane to watch GBNews). Just looking at the newspaper headlines in Sainsburys had me all triggered. I may have raised an eyebrow.

Yeah

Tbh I’ve had a shitty experience in the past few days looking for something and coming across a news story in the Argus I new nothing about - that a good mate I knew about ten years ago but lost touch with has been serving a 3 year prison sentence for child abuse - it’s gutted me and pulled the rug right out under me - I would probably have never known if I hadn’t been googling Argus stories - it’s made me feel quite sick inside

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

No conspiracy- I often only quote the parts of someone’s post that contains the points Im addressing - can’t be bothered with it to be honest and have chosen to ignore all subsequent comments that continue to accuse me of bulling people into submission on the Hamas thread - this is the second poster in as many days - just one more added to the list - why they don’t use the ignore thread/user button I don’t know - perhaps you could franchise out your list HT for general use

Well, @Hamilton is definitely not on my little list. I'm sticking to 'a misunderstanding'.

I had a big falling out with another poster recently and we managed to sort it out. Remember that the 'voice' is missing on a text forum. My own jokes sometimes miss the mark and I've had my collar felt by two of the moderators in the past. Ahem.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yeah

Tbh I’ve had a shitty experience in the past few days looking for something and coming across a news story in the Argus I new nothing about - that a good mate I knew about ten years ago but lost touch with has been serving a 3 year prison sentence for child abuse - it’s gutted me and pulled the rug right out under me - U would probably have never known if I hadn’t been googling Argus stories

Christ. That's horrible. Stay off the politics for a week or so. I promise to invade neither Israel nor Gaza in your absence.

 

[Insel affe]

As a councillor in this city, reading some of these comments saddens me as to what this place has become. I am ashamed & embarrassed as to what these kids did yesterday. A day off from school to support a war in another country? Was there a day off for the others. Perhaps teachers should take a day off for the hostages and the families of those murdered. If you wish to do something positive pop over to Gaza kids & ask those nice terrorists from Gaza to stop firing missiles from schools or behind their citizens and see where it gets you.
Hopefully there will be fines for those that skipped school

Typical lazy politician copy and paste…

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Nah I’m fine - it kind of hard not to look back though and try and remember if there was anything that you should have recognised in their behaviour - he did suddenly distance himself frim me and was very cold the last time I saw him so perhaps that’s why.

Back on topic - Perhaps because of my background it is easier for me to argue a strong position that neither supports the Religious Zionism of the Israeli Government nor Hamas, yet understands the motivation of both and it’s the humanitarian in me that forces me to speak out for the innocent people on both sides caught in the middle of two extreme ideologies - it is that same perspective now that makes me (like many other posters here) want to put the welfare of any child before myself, regardless of their race, religion or cultural difference. Children are children imo and shouldn’t be used as a channel for us adults to vicariously express our own views through but we should be enabling them to develop their own - I wish more parents were like some posters here but I think too many are not and that is where the problems seem to start. Not just parents but teachers too in non-secular Jewish and Muslim schools - again, children can become manipulated with inherent and extrinsic biases and used to push an adult agenda which for me is just wrong.

Where we are individually on the political spectrum does influence our interpretation of events that’s for sure - there’s those who think Israel is alone responsible for the perpetuating the conflict because of the Occupation (which I don’t) and those who think it is solely down to terrorism and Hamas (which I don’t) . There are those that think it anti-semitic to criticise the government of Israel (which I don’t) and there are those that think the call for Palestinians to be free means the destruction of Israel (which I don’t) etc etc I see the details of the past 55 years of stop and start peace processes and conflict and know it is much more complicated than that - so the only thing we can be really sure being on the ‘right side’ of morally imo, is in condemning the abject suffering and slaughter of so many thousands of innocent civilians who have no love at all for Hamas, and especially for the children that are dying and the death of the Israelis on 7/10 and rooting for those poor hostages being passed around different jihadist groups in Gaza for bartering currency. Personally - As far as the latter goes, I think our kids who care enough to protest against the injustices of the Occupation and feel sorrow for the death of innocents have got it exactly right, I just wish those grown ups in the corridors of power had such pure hearts.

PM me if you need to emote and everyone around you is too close

 

[Guinness Boy]

Typical lazy politician copy and paste… View attachment 170254

Ha ha!

Great spot.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Ha ha!

Great spot.

I’m trying to imagine the type of person that wears that type of hat and trainers.

 

[Hamilton]

Well, @Hamilton is definitely not on my little list. I'm sticking to 'a misunderstanding'.

I had a big falling out with another poster recently and we managed to sort it out. Remember that the 'voice' is missing on a text forum. My own jokes sometimes miss the mark and I've had my collar felt by two of the moderators in the past. Ahem.

Likewise Harry. But to be clear, the gentleman in question deliberately omitted a line from my post about the kids just marching for peace and then proceeded to make the very same point in his post back to me.

Personally, I think that the practice of selecting parts of comments when quoting another poster should be disabled. I’m sure that’s harder to do than I would expect.

Either way, maybe @Zeberdi could at least admit that this happened and we could all move on. As I say, I do read his posts and take on board his points, so was disappointed to be on the receiving end of a salvo.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Typical lazy politician copy and paste… View attachment 170254

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Typical lazy politician copy and paste… View attachment 170254

Good spot. He really is a pillock.

 

[London Pompous]

That's a "don't you know who I am" post if ever I read one.

The only people who like him are the other accounts he has on NSC

 

[Insel affe]

As a councillor in this city, reading some of these comments saddens me as to what this place has become. I am ashamed & embarrassed as to what these kids did yesterday. A day off from school to support a war in another country? Was there a day off for the others. Perhaps teachers should take a day off for the hostages and the families of those murdered. If you wish to do something positive pop over to Gaza kids & ask those nice terrorists from Gaza to stop firing missiles from schools or behind their citizens and see where it gets you.
Hopefully there will be fines for those that skipped school

As a councillor….

I will just leave this here….

 

[Brovion]

Who are these belcheeses?

Sorry, was that aimed at me?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

It’s a shame kids just can’t be kids and enjoy their early years where time seems to go so slowly, unlike when you get older and it flashes past. My own childhood was blighted by the threat of nuclear war and mutually assured destruction. Coming home from school and watching “Protect and Survive” on the public information broadcasts was horrible as was seeing my Dad filling our cellar with water containers and tinned goods for when the inevitable happened. Thats all you saw on three TV channels and whatever newspapers your parents bought. These days Social media and the MSM expose our children to far more than they should have to contend with at an early age. There’s nothing wrong with having a social conscience, being aware of the injustices in the world and making your feelings known, but leave the under 16’s to have a childhood. Plenty of time in 6th form debating societies for that.

This is all just a personal opinion, I’m not looking to start an argument.