[Albion] ‘Brighton got our best young player and we got nothing’ (The Times)

[Neville's Breakfast]

Wouldn't this defeat the Bosman ruling. A player out of/has no contract and someone signing them has to pay previous clubs., I don't think that's going to happen.

Anything that undermines the Bosman ruling is fine by me. That ramped up the era of player greed we are seeing now and is feeding everything that is wrong with the financial side of our game.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I think the bit we are struggling with is why it matters, and what difference it makes.

It doesn’t.

It makes no difference under the current rules. I think a few people are just suggesting that the sort of connection this player has/had with Basingstoke is not helping that club in any way. In a game entirely in hoc to money there is comparatively very little filtering downwards.

 

[GT49er]

They've just signed Zak Sturge on a season long loan as it happens. An example there perhaps for the Albion last year of CHELSEA GOT OUR BEST YOUNG PLAYER AND WE GOT NOTHING.

Good spot. Wonder if he's finding the grass is greener at Chelsea?

 

[Springal]

Good spot. Wonder if he's finding the grass is greener at Chelsea?

Is it any different to us loaning out 18/19 year olds to EFL clubs ?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Is it any different to us loaning out 18/19 year olds to EFL clubs ?

I know it’s a side discussion but you compared it to loans earlier and I see these as two separate issues. The Basingstoke anomaly is that the player wasn’t allowed to be under contract before we signed him so that club gets nothing. When a player is under contract there is no reason the loaning club should benefit financially when sold. They are getting what they want by temporarily signing the player and saving a transfer fee. They sometimes have to pay a loan fee as well as wages, which seems fair to me. Basically the Peterborough chairman is a bit of a chancer in this respect. I wouldn’t expect us to present a bill next year to Barcelona for Fati

 

[AZ Gull]

As far as I can tell, ....

He's a 17 year old kid who's been signed on a YTS contract (in old money). ....

Nope. He would have been a second-year scholar last season, but he is no longer eligible to play for the U-18s. He has been signed on a full professional contract.

 

[AZ Gull]

Surely it's the law that anyone under 18 isn't able to form a contract rather than the football system ?

Nope - a player can sign a professional contract from their 17th birthday onwards.

 

[GT49er]

.........and after one season, the lad is released having not made much impact, out of contract. Back to Basingstoke for him? It's a hard, hard world.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Shame but not surprised. It’s a huge step up and difficult when you’ve not been in the professional academy system for 10 years like the majority of the other kids.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

.........and after one season, the lad is released having not made much impact, out of contract. Back to Basingstoke for him? It's a hard, hard world.

True. But what a great foundation for the lad. 12m training under top academy coaches at Lancing. Not to be sneezed at on the career progression CV.

 

[AZ Gull]

.........and after one season, the lad is released having not made much impact, out of contract. Back to Basingstoke for him? It's a hard, hard world.

Nope, off to Wycombe Wanderers:-

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

True. But what a great foundation for the lad. 12m training under top academy coaches at Lancing. Not to be sneezed at on the career progression CV.

This. Very good point.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Thank f*** nobody started a crowdfunder!

 

[Han Solo]

True. But what a great foundation for the lad. 12m training under top academy coaches at Lancing. Not to be sneezed at on the career progression CV.

Too bad many refuse using it. Every year I contact released academy players and tell them I can help them find a professional club in the first or second tier in Sweden. Two good seasons and they're off to Eredivisie or Belgium or wherever. But nah, they don't want to use their unique world class training where it would make a different. They rather fight, on half the wages they'd get in Allsvenskan, with hundreds of other academy rejects in the National League.

Its a shame really, think there's thousands of English lads who could have been professional players with long careers if they looked outside the English pyramid. There's a lot of David Accams and Curtis Edwardses out there.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Anything that undermines the Bosman ruling is fine by me. That ramped up the era of player greed we are seeing now and is feeding everything that is wrong with the financial side of our game.

I hope you aren't suggesting players whose contracts end cannot sign for a new club unless the previous 'owner' is compensated?

That was what the Bosman ruling ended.

There are of course unintended consequences, There have been many unintended consequences of the ending of of all sorts of iniquity. For example, slavery. Now we have gangsta rap and 'yardies'. Who (in the 19th century) knew? ??

The solution (in each case) is not a return to perpetual ownership

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Too bad many refuse using it. Every year I contact released academy players and tell them I can help them find a professional club in the first or second tier in Sweden. Two good seasons and they're off to Eredivisie or Belgium or wherever. But nah, they don't want to use their unique world class training where it would make a different. They rather fight, on half the wages they'd get in Allsvenskan, with hundreds of other academy rejects in the National League.

Its a shame really, think there's thousands of English lads who could have been professional players with long careers if they looked outside the English pyramid. There's a lot of David Accams and Curtis Edwardses out there.

And the very occasional Jude Bellingham.

The English are a funny lot.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Too bad many refuse using it. Every year I contact released academy players and tell them I can help them find a professional club in the first or second tier in Sweden. Two good seasons and they're off to Eredivisie or Belgium or wherever. But nah, they don't want to use their unique world class training where it would make a different. They rather fight, on half the wages they'd get in Allsvenskan, with hundreds of other academy rejects in the National League.

Its a shame really, think there's thousands of English lads who could have been professional players with long careers if they looked outside the English pyramid. There's a lot of David Accams and Curtis Edwardses out there.

It's a real shame.

They spend their whole life dreaming of being pro and then don't take the opportunity. It's not a well trodden path to go overseas so I wonder how many are really aware of the many opportunities there are outside of England. The power of the premier league and English pyramid can blind people to what's available outside of it.

I think over time it will change but how quickly it does, who knows.

 

[B-right-on]

It's a real shame.

They spend their whole life dreaming of being pro and then don't take the opportunity. It's not a well trodden path to go overseas so I wonder how many are really aware of the many opportunities there are outside of England. The power of the premier league and English pyramid can blind people to what's available outside of it.

I think over time it will change but how quickly it does, who knows.

I think that this applies to the English as a whole. I moved abroad in my early 20s for a few years. Was a brilliant opportunity to get a whole new view on life.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

I don't feel good about taking a player from a club like that for nothing.

Surely with the money we are bringing in we could afford some kind of financial transaction to help a small club financially for losing a young talent.

Grassroots football clubs should be supported when possible.

A friendly? You cannot afford to pay anything for fear of falling foul of EPL rules, it's wrong but it's the rules.

 

[dazzer6666]

A friendly? You cannot afford to pay anything for fear of falling foul of EPL rules, it's wrong but it's the rules.

We have a friendly against them very soon…perhaps this was agreed at the time