[Albion] Brighton fans -Have we lost some Perspective? Good things to say about Brighton please!

[Zeberdi]

FWIW, I’m with you. It is a very hyperbolic thread title.

Football team loses important football match and fans make rash comments in the heat of the moment. It was ever thus.

It works both ways. Football team loses match, fans start lots of hyperbolic threads about RDZ leaving, how individual players are awful, how our season is over, how it’s TB’s fault for not investing in the team how this was the last time we would be in Europe, how the sky’s falling in etc etc I started one in the heat of the moment so other fans could say post some positive stuff. This thread certainly wasn’t meant to drag on for weeks and should be seen in the context of the all the negative posts in last few months of us having a slump, not in just response to post match rants (in fact it was started before we lost the Roma away match)

Not sure why fans find a thread specifically focussed on celebrating our successes and how our club is run so challenging and reason to get all narky. No one is saying fans aren’t allowed to rant and criticise or be negative or even that some of that criticism isn’t well founded but conversely fans should be not be criticised for asking for positive comments in a thread aimed at pointing out all the things we are doing right either.

As I said above, Paul Barber said in an interview recently in response to growing frustration and criticism from fans, that is is important not to lose perspective and that the club is in a good place.

If people don’t like the thread, they can just ignore it.

 

[el punal]

Wherever and however we’ll finish this season will be intriguing. There is no doubt that our form, and results, have been greatly affected by the number of players sustaining injuries over the last six months. This two week break could be a very welcome rest for many (including us fans!) so that we can go all out in the final ten games.

As for next season? The prospects are unbelievably exciting. We can look forward to seeing Osman and Barco doing their stuff, the return of Solly, Mitoma and Hinshelwood back from injury, and the continued progress of those 2023 ‘newbies’ of Verbruggen, Adingra, Enciso, Buonanotte, Van Hecke, Pedro and several from the development squad, and anyone else I’ve forgotten!

The future is positively Bright-on. Sorry!

 

[Insel affe]

Wherever and however we’ll finish this season will be intriguing. There is no doubt that our form, and results, have been greatly affected by the number of players sustaining injuries over the last six months. This two week break could be a very welcome rest for many (including us fans!) so that we can go all out in the final ten games.

As for next season? The prospects are unbelievably exciting. We can look forward to seeing Osman and Barco doing their stuff, the return of Solly, Mitoma and Hinshelwood back from injury, and the continued progress of those 2023 ‘newbies’ of Verbruggen, Adingra, Enciso, Buonanotte, Van Hecke, Pedro and several from the development squad, and anyone else I’ve forgotten!

The future is positively Bright-on. Sorry!

exactly this.

 

[kevo]

As for next season? The prospects are unbelievably exciting. We can look forward to seeing Osman and Barco doing their stuff, the return of Solly, Mitoma and Hinshelwood back from injury, and the continued progress of those 2023 ‘newbies’ of Verbruggen, Adingra, Enciso, Buonanotte, Van Hecke, Pedro and several from the development squad, and anyone else I’ve forgotten!

Baleba. You forgot Baleba! I think he could be a revelation next season.

 

[Curious Orange]

They often talk about 'the good old days', for us Brighton fans those days are now.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

There are the days my friend, let's hope they never end.

A few years ago now I made conscious decision just to enjoy my visits to the Amex. Not concern myself too much with why isn't so and so playing, why don't we do such and such etc. Of course there is still an element of that - but with Tony Bloom at the helm (and it has to be said Paul Barber) it's easier to take a more relaxed approach to supporting the Albion. These are the greatest of days, playing the greatest of football, in the greatest of stadiums. We are blessed.

And of course we should play Bart .......

 

[nickjhs]

Don’t disagree with your wider point but just being a pedant to point out we didn’t reach the 1/4’s of the FA Cup or Europa League - last 16 of both.

haha yep my maths is a little off

 

[dazzer6666]

Wherever and however we’ll finish this season will be intriguing. There is no doubt that our form, and results, have been greatly affected by the number of players sustaining injuries over the last six months. This two week break could be a very welcome rest for many (including us fans!) so that we can go all out in the final ten games.

As for next season? The prospects are unbelievably exciting. We can look forward to seeing Osman and Barco doing their stuff, the return of Solly, Mitoma and Hinshelwood back from injury, and the continued progress of those 2023 ‘newbies’ of Verbruggen, Adingra, Enciso, Buonanotte, Van Hecke, Pedro and several from the development squad, and anyone else I’ve forgotten!

The future is positively Bright-on. Sorry!

Yep. Interesting that the closest comparison to us this season is probably Newcastle - broadly similar schedule and number of injuries, and been in the PL the same length of time. We’re arguably doing better this season despite them being the ‘richest club in the world’ with the ‘best fans’.

 

[Surf's Up]

I've supported the Albion since the dawning of time. I saw my first game on 6th January 1962 at the Goldstone along with 20,404 other souls as we lost 3-0 to the mighty (as they were then) Blackburn Rovers in the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Alas season 1961/1962 was really only memorable for that game because we finished bottom of Division 2 on a paltry 31 points. The seasons from 1957/58 to 1961/62 introduced me to the rhythm of supporting the Albion (i.e. long periods of shuffling around fairly aimlessly in the lower reaches interspersed with brief but tantalising glimpses of glory). So much for history but without it I would be unable to really appreciate where we are now because since returning to Brighton from the really dark days at Gillingham in 1999 the trajectory has been upwards. Ok, our time at Withdean was like a microcosm of the previous 120 odd years but the general trend was upwards, especially once Falmer appeared on the horizon. Our club is now writing history and every day, every week and every year we are building the story of our club in a way that has never happened before. So yes, there is every reason to apply perspective and to savour, appreciate and celebrate where we are today, to dismiss negativity and to thank and support the architects of our success and our wonderful club like never before.

 

[7dialssouthpaw]

It's great times - the only thing we are guilty of, if anything, is overachieving last season. A Brighton player, an Argentina international, set up the best WCF goal in history, representing the most beautiful football we have ever played, created from a golden generation of bargain talent (Gross, Dunk, Solly, Caicedo). Ultimately, we all love football for its aesthetics and we love stories where we can root for the underdog. we got both.

 

[jimhigham]

I bloody well love 'em and have thoroughly enjoyed the season.

 

[el punal]

Baleba. You forgot Baleba! I think he could be a revelation next season.

Of course!

 

[Jeremiah]

On a positive note , this is without doubt the best Albion side/squad I've ever seen (over 50 seasons of supporting).

On a negative note some of us, of a certain age, think it is about time the Club reached a major trophy final before we shuffle off this mortal coil .

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Seriously - take a chill pill because a/ I haven’t a clue what you’re on about and b/ it is just looking like you came on this thread to bait an unnecessary nit-picking argument. It was perfectly reasonable to ask if we have lost perspective a few weeks back because it looked as if we were (as a general fan group) certainly beginning to and some folk were feeling upset that NSC was being swamped with different threads criticising the Club, Tony Bloom, our squad, individuals and our Coach etc. Inviting positive comments (as opposed to negative ones) was purely to provide a counter and give folk a chance to celebrate some of the good stuff as a reminder of how well we are doing as a club. As for you ‘suspecting’ that you are speaking for the ‘majority’, or explaining what the ‘issue is for most of us‘ and accusing me of being ‘hyperbolic’, this thread is not a ‘me versus what the rest of NSC thinks discussion’, so please don’t try and turn it in to one Mate. Check out Paul barbers last interview warning fans not to ‘lose perspective’ and that ‘we are in a good place” - that is all that is happening here.

FWIW I agree with your thread title. NSC has become unreadable for me as it has become swamped with big 6 entitlement. Not what football is about for me.

 

[Stato]

On a positive note , this is without doubt the best Albion side/squad I've ever seen (over 50 seasons of supporting).

On a negative note some of us, of a certain age, think it is about time the Club reached a major trophy final before we shuffle off this mortal coil .

I'm not sure whether people realise the scale of the ask for a side outside of the monied six to win a major trophy.

One of the last ten domestic major trophies have been won by a team that wasn't involved in the Super League treachery: Leicester's FA Cup in 2021. (that's a 10% chance, or a 0.71% chance each if its split between 14 other EPL teams)
Leciester's 2016 League win and Wigan's FA Cup in 2013 mean that only three of the 37 trophies in the last ten years have been won by someone from outside that group. (8.11%)
Going back to the first EPL season a total of 13 trophies of a possible 94 have been won by one of the other 86 in the league. (13.83%).

If you assume that every trophy is going to be won by an EPL side, (Nobody from outside that division has won one in the 32 years of the EPL era), that 13.83% chance is split between 14 teams, giving everybody who isn't Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and (oh go on then,) Tottenham a less than one percent chance of winning a major domestic trophy each season.

With three of those lot fighting for this season's title, unless Coventry somehow win the FA Cup, those numbers are going to get even worse.

Assuming this year's EPL winners as City, Arsenal or Liverpool the last 32 season's results will suggest that there is a 6.25% chance of a team from outside the monied six winning the EPL. Splitting this equally between the other 14 in the division gives a 0.446% chance of any of us mortals winning the league.

As Everton, Wigan, Portsmouth and Leicester have managed it, for the FA Cup - the chances of a league team not from the plotters winning that is doubled to 12.5%, but as there are 86 league teams to split this chance between, an even chance for all would be 0.145%. Ignoring the teams from outside the top level (West Ham in 1980 were the last team to do it) would still mean a 0.89% chance for each of the 14.

In the League Cup, wins for Aston Villa (2), Leicester (2), Blackburn, Middlesbro, Birmingham & Swansea from 32 seasons suggest chances are better at 25% (0.29% for each entrant, or 1.78% for each EPL club as nobody from outside the top tier has won it since Wednesday in 1991), but given that six of those eight wins were in the first twelve seasons, recent years suggest a harder task. In fact one of those six teams has won the trophy in every one of the last ten years.

In short, it's quite a big ask.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I'm not sure whether people realise the scale of the ask for a side outside of the monied six to win a major trophy.

One of the last ten domestic major trophies have been won by a team that wasn't involved in the Super League treachery: Leicester's FA Cup in 2021. (that's a 10% chance, or a 0.71% chance each if its split between 14 other EPL teams)
Leciester's 2016 League win and Wigan's FA Cup in 2013 mean that only three of the 37 trophies in the last ten years have been won by someone from outside that group. (8.11%)
Going back to the first EPL season a total of 13 trophies of a possible 94 have been won by one of the other 86 in the league. (13.83%).

If you assume that every trophy is going to be won by an EPL side, (Nobody from outside that division has won one in the 32 years of the EPL era), that 13.83% chance is split between 14 teams, giving everybody who isn't Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and (oh go on then,) Tottenham a less than one percent chance of winning a major domestic trophy each season.

With three of those lot fighting for this season's title, unless Coventry somehow win the FA Cup, those numbers are going to get even worse.

Assuming this year's EPL winners as City, Arsenal or Liverpool the last 32 season's results will suggest that there is a 6.25% chance of a team from outside the monied six winning the EPL. Splitting this equally between the other 14 in the division gives a 0.446% chance of any of us mortals winning the league.

As Everton, Wigan, Portsmouth and Leicester have managed it, for the FA Cup - the chances of a league team not from the plotters winning that is doubled to 12.5%, but as there are 86 league teams to split this chance between, an even chance for all would be 0.145%. Ignoring the teams from outside the top level (West Ham in 1980 were the last team to do it) would still mean a 0.89% chance for each of the 14.

In the League Cup, wins for Aston Villa (2), Leicester (2), Blackburn, Middlesbro, Birmingham & Swansea from 32 seasons suggest chances are better at 25% (0.29% for each entrant, or 1.78% for each EPL club as nobody from outside the top tier has won it since Wednesday in 1991), but given that six of those eight wins were in the first twelve seasons, recent years suggest a harder task. In fact one of those six teams has won the trophy in every one of the last ten years.

In short, it's quite a big ask.

Indeed. Which makes life in the PL a bit dull. It is all geared around entrenching that divide. We now have the holy grail of a PL place but probably won’t win anything again until we are relegated. Sure, the football is amazing at times but I don’t think that’s enough. I’m looking forward to the end of season in a number of leagues but the PL isn’t one of them. I will still be going to Burnley but that’s because it’s local and my favourite PL ground.

 

[Justice]

I Can’t quite see how discussing the manager making a blunder in Rome is being entitled tbh. This is a football forum after all. We make all that effort to qualify for Europe we then top our tricky group only to throw it away in 90 minutes of kamikaze football was hard to take.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

I'm not sure whether people realise the scale of the ask for a side outside of the monied six to win a major trophy.

One of the last ten domestic major trophies have been won by a team that wasn't involved in the Super League treachery: Leicester's FA Cup in 2021. (that's a 10% chance, or a 0.71% chance each if its split between 14 other EPL teams)
Leciester's 2016 League win and Wigan's FA Cup in 2013 mean that only three of the 37 trophies in the last ten years have been won by someone from outside that group. (8.11%)
Going back to the first EPL season a total of 13 trophies of a possible 94 have been won by one of the other 86 in the league. (13.83%).

If you assume that every trophy is going to be won by an EPL side, (Nobody from outside that division has won one in the 32 years of the EPL era), that 13.83% chance is split between 14 teams, giving everybody who isn't Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and (oh go on then,) Tottenham a less than one percent chance of winning a major domestic trophy each season.

With three of those lot fighting for this season's title, unless Coventry somehow win the FA Cup, those numbers are going to get even worse.

Assuming this year's EPL winners as City, Arsenal or Liverpool the last 32 season's results will suggest that there is a 6.25% chance of a team from outside the monied six winning the EPL. Splitting this equally between the other 14 in the division gives a 0.446% chance of any of us mortals winning the league.

As Everton, Wigan, Portsmouth and Leicester have managed it, for the FA Cup - the chances of a league team not from the plotters winning that is doubled to 12.5%, but as there are 86 league teams to split this chance between, an even chance for all would be 0.145%. Ignoring the teams from outside the top level (West Ham in 1980 were the last team to do it) would still mean a 0.89% chance for each of the 14.

In the League Cup, wins for Aston Villa (2), Leicester (2), Blackburn, Middlesbro, Birmingham & Swansea from 32 seasons suggest chances are better at 25% (0.29% for each entrant, or 1.78% for each EPL club as nobody from outside the top tier has won it since Wednesday in 1991), but given that six of those eight wins were in the first twelve seasons, recent years suggest a harder task. In fact one of those six teams has won the trophy in every one of the last ten years.

In short, it's quite a big ask.

I dont think you have quite caught the OP's intended vibe there.

 

[cjd]

I Can’t quite see how discussing the manager making a blunder in Rome is being entitled tbh. This is a football forum after all. We make all that effort to qualify for Europe we then top our tricky group only to throw it away in 90 minutes of kamikaze football was hard to take.

I agree with your principle of course, as do many others. I can't on this occasion however, agree with your opinion on why we lost so badly in Rome........but that's more than OK by me. As you say, it's a football forum to express many views, despite efforts by some to crush it being so.

 

[Zeberdi]

I dont think you have quite caught the OP's intended vibe there.

It is perfectly ok to point out the odds of winning a trophy are slight/a tough ask - we can say good stuff about the club and be positive without being positively unrealistic about where we are and who we are.