[News] Brianna Ghey murder.

[Leekbrookgull]

Just what is driving certain people to commit crimes like this, what is it stabbed 28 times there's some hatred there. Thoughts with the family.

 

[spence]

It was also premeditated. Truly awful crime and the victim thought she was safe with friends.

 

[Mancgull]

I hope the perpetrators are sent down for a very long time. Blaming each other and so not accepting responsibility on top of the crime itself which was abhorrent.
This one is close to home too as Culcheth is just a few miles away from me. The park itself is a lovely place where people should feel safe.

 

[maltaseagull]

I don´t live in the UK but from reading and watching the news, I wasn´t sure how safe even Brighton was any more.
I went to the Marseille game at the Amex and stayed in a hotel in Western road. I left nearly all my valuables in my room and took my phone and one debit card and my ID card from Malta just in case. I kept my phone in an inside pocket too.
Nothing happened ! But I would be very worried walking around town very late at night.

 

[bluenitsuj]

The murderers should now be named publicly now they have been found guilty. They do not deserve protection

 

[Cheshire Cat]

This has been all over the local news for a few weeks. The Liverpool Echo was running almost verbatim reports of the trial, and a lot of the evidence was simply sickening. The two found guilty are both extremely disturbed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I don´t live in the UK but from reading and watching the news, I wasn´t sure how safe even Brighton was any more.
I went to the Marseille game at the Amex and stayed in a hotel in Western road. I left nearly all my valuables in my room and took my phone and one debit card and my ID card from Malta just in case. I kept my phone in an inside pocket too.
Nothing happened ! But I would be very worried walking around town very late at night.

These were some seriously disturbed kids and I hope they can find out why to try and stop anything similar, as I have with every horrendous case over the last 50 years.

However, I have no idea why you have posted on this thread. As a 63 year old, there is nowhere that I would worry about walking around in Brighton at any time of the night or day. Something I certainly wouldn't have been happy about doing 40 years ago in many areas. What point are you trying to make ?

 

[clapham_gull]

The murderers should now be named publicly now they have been found guilty. They do not deserve protection

Naming one them won't mean they don't end up with protection, completely the opposite and it will cost millions.

I think they learnt a lesson with the James Bulger murder.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Naming one them won't mean they don't end up with protection, completely the opposite and it will cost millions.

I think they learnt a lesson with the James Bulger murder.

Thompson has been rehabilitated, released over 20 years ago and hasn't reoffended, same with Mary Bell, but Venables

I suspect that the reasons why a child kills another child (although incredibly rare) are very complex and thankfully, nothing I have ever had to deal with.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Just what is driving certain people to commit crimes like this, what is it stabbed 28 times there's some hatred there. Thoughts with the family.

The two who did it appear to be somewhat exceptionally unpleasant, a toxic combo, like Hindley and Brady, egging each other on with their addiction to torture porn, among other things. Fortunately, not a reflection of 'the state of the youth of today'. Thoughts with all three families (as noted by the mother of the victim).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I don´t live in the UK but from reading and watching the news, I wasn´t sure how safe even Brighton was any more.
I went to the Marseille game at the Amex and stayed in a hotel in Western road. I left nearly all my valuables in my room and took my phone and one debit card and my ID card from Malta just in case. I kept my phone in an inside pocket too.
Nothing happened ! But I would be very worried walking around town very late at night.

I really don't think the present case bears any relation to the general safeness of town centres late at night.

 

[Littlemo]

These were some seriously disturbed kids and I hope they can find out why to try and stop anything similar, as I have with every horrendous case over the last 50 years.

However, I have no idea why you have posted on this thread. As a 63 year old, there is nowhere that I would worry about walking around in Brighton at any time of the night or day. Something I certainly wouldn't have been happy about doing 40 years ago in many areas. What point are you trying to make ?

Actually I think tbf he (maybe indirectly) makes a great point. Much of what we see and think is formed by what we see, read and hear about online, on tv and in the newspapers. When it comes to fear, perception is everything and some of our biggest issues come from ourselves.

As a woman one of the things I’ve felt for a long time is that we are often told we should be scared, or that we are all scared, of men, of walking at night, of being out alone etc

It’s incredibly limiting to live your life in fear and more often than not, as Maltaseagull hopefully found, that those fears were unnecessary. It comes from creating a climate where all the news talks about is crime, or bad things and encouraging each other to be careful and scared of so much that’s not worth being scared of.

Fortunately incidents like poor Brianna Ghey, are very few and far between.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The murderers should now be named publicly now they have been found guilty. They do not deserve protection

As @WATFORD zero said....no.

The only purpose this would serve would be to satisfy the public's morbid curiosity, and allow the creation of narratives that somehow blame the parents (who would now also be named by proxy) and provide a bit more granularity to the making of whatever has succeeded Dinenage's "Lets get into the mind of these evil killers" series.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Actually I think tbf he (maybe indirectly) makes a great point. Much of what we see and think is formed by what we see, read and hear about online, on tv and in the newspapers. When it comes to fear, perception is everything and some of our biggest issues come from ourselves.

As a woman one of the things I’ve felt for a long time is that we are often told we should be scared, or that we are all scared, of men, of walking at night, of being out alone etc

It’s incredibly limiting to live your life in fear and more often than not, as Maltaseagull hopefully found, that those fears were unnecessary. It comes from creating a climate where all the news talks about is crime, or bad things and encouraging each other to be careful and scared of so much that’s not worth being scared of.

Fortunately incidents like poor Brianna Ghey, are very few and far between.

Well said. The minute we forget that we have a right to not live in fear is the minute we start to lose our hard won freedoms and laws that protect them (and us). And there is no such thing as contributory negligence.

 

[Eeyore]

These were some seriously disturbed kids and I hope they can find out why to try and stop anything similar, as I have with every horrendous case over the last 50 years.

However, I have no idea why you have posted on this thread. As a 63 year old, there is nowhere that I would worry about walking around in Brighton at any time of the night or day. Something I certainly wouldn't have been happy about doing 40 years ago in many areas. What point are you trying to make ?

I once asked the Police superintendent of Brighton what the worst time for policing here was. He said the 70s.

Any large town is always going to have its issues. But I don't fear for my safety going out. It's always random.

 

[Brian Fantana]

I don´t live in the UK but from reading and watching the news, I wasn´t sure how safe even Brighton was any more.
I went to the Marseille game at the Amex and stayed in a hotel in Western road. I left nearly all my valuables in my room and took my phone and one debit card and my ID card from Malta just in case. I kept my phone in an inside pocket too.
Nothing happened ! But I would be very worried walking around town very late at night.

A thoroughly bizarre post, both in general and in the specific context of this thread.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

These were some seriously disturbed kids and I hope they can find out why to try and stop anything similar, as I have with every horrendous case over the last 50 years.

However, I have no idea why you have posted on this thread. As a 63 year old, there is nowhere that I would worry about walking around in Brighton at any time of the night or day. Something I certainly wouldn't have been happy about doing 40 years ago in many areas. What point are you trying to make ?

Agreed, maybe the poster was possessed by a similar fugue to that which overcame Gary Newman when he lived in Waldron. Something bad happened that he read about nearby and he got scared and moved to Australia or somewhere because bad things don't ever happen over there do they?

 

[Weststander]

These were some seriously disturbed kids and I hope they can find out why to try and stop anything similar, as I have with every horrendous case over the last 50 years.

However, I have no idea why you have posted on this thread. As a 63 year old, there is nowhere that I would worry about walking around in Brighton at any time of the night or day. Something I certainly wouldn't have been happy about doing 40 years ago in many areas. What point are you trying to make ?

It’s the Argus stirring over the years. Brighton isn’t a dangerous or unsafe place.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Actually I think tbf he (maybe indirectly) makes a great point. Much of what we see and think is formed by what we see, read and hear about online, on tv and in the newspapers. When it comes to fear, perception is everything and some of our biggest issues come from ourselves.

As a woman one of the things I’ve felt for a long time is that we are often told we should be scared, or that we are all scared, of men, of walking at night, of being out alone etc

It’s incredibly limiting to live your life in fear and more often than not, as Maltaseagull hopefully found, that those fears were unnecessary. It comes from creating a climate where all the news talks about is crime, or bad things and encouraging each other to be careful and scared of so much that’s not worth being scared of.

Fortunately incidents like poor Brianna Ghey, are very few and far between.

Excellent points. That fear can also be exacerbated when you live abroad, as I did for many years, and the only news that you hear from the UK is negative and you cannot experience the reality yourself.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Well said. The minute we forget that we have a right to not live in fear is the minute we start to lose our hard won freedoms and laws that protect them (and us). And there is no such thing as contributory negligence.

Agreed that fear is an important part of life and one which contributes well to our survival. However that last point is untrue, for instance if I leave a suitcase full of dollar bills on the front seat of my car with the windows down, then I have not asked for the money to be stolen, but my poor stewardship of it has contributed to its loss.