Brezovan

[BensGrandad]

Paul Clark on Radio Sussex said about him allowing Chopra to come inside of him onto his stronger right foot not to score 1 goal but a 2nd time, nobody should allow that.

 

[Acker79]

I dont trust him with the ball full stop. No where near as good as Ankergren and I think that many on here have very short memories.

I think they have longer term memories. Rememberng his extended run in the team as we moved away from the bottom of the table showing promotion form, instead of focusing on his performances against premier league opposition in a friendly, and in the FA cup.

Casper 2010/11
Games 45.2
Wins 28
Draw 10.2
Loss 7
Conceded 39
Win Rate 0.62
Goals per Game 0.86
% Shots on Target Conceded 22.29%
Penalties conceded/faced 5/5
Clean sheets 44.25%
Shots on target ave/match 3.8

Brez 2010/11(in a cup run with a lot of second string players, 9 games spread out over the season, only playing full consecutive games once)
Games 8.8
Wins 4
Draw 2.8
loss 2 (one v premier league opposition playing the game that helped them beat liverpool and arsenal, draw with chelsea and man city, the other was a game after we had won the league, and had no Murray in the team)
Conceded 10
Win Rate 0.45
Goals per game 1.14
Penalties conceded/faced 0/4
Clean sheets 43.18%
Shots on target ave/match 5

Brez 2009/10
Games 20
Wins 9
Draw 5
loss 6
Conceded 17
Win Rate 0.45
Goals per game 0.85
Clean sheets 45%
Shots on target ave/match 4.6


Brez faces more shots per match, but keeps as many clean sheets
Given an extended run in the team he concedes the same number of goals/game (well, fractionally less, but not to a notable degree)
Even without an extended run, he keeps the same amount of clean sheets.
I don't have penalty stats for 2009/10, (I remember him saving one on his debut), but last year Brez conceded none of the four he faced, Casper conceded all five he faced.

 

[Acker79]

Not sure if you are agreeing that Brez is a better keeper or not

He's making the point that while Brez is as good as casper overall, he isn't comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is an important part of the way we play.

I would argue Capser didn't look too comfortable when we started playing it last season, but grew into the role, and given a run of consecutive games Brez could improve. His starting point (with regard to how good he is on the ball) is worse than casper's was, though.

 

[Samej]

Disagree, if the left and right back perhaps challenged players as opposed to backing off the shot should not happen. Calderon was lambasted after the 3rd by several players which was deserved.

Yes but only lambasted in one game what about the other two,Ankers confidence is shot to pieces Gus preaches earn your place in the team, he is talking the talk but not walking the walk

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I agree with Beach Hut's opinion regarding the full backs. Brezo does come out for crosses, when Greer doesn't get in his way, like he did at Stoke.

 

[Beach Hut]

Sorry but I completely disagree and it is so simple to just blame the keeper where there are several other reasons around the defence which also contribute to the way we are conceding so many goals

 

[BensGrandad]

I think they have longer term memories. Rememberng his extended run in the team as we moved away from the bottom of the table showing promotion form, instead of focusing on his performances against premier league opposition in a friendly, and in the FA cup.

Casper 2010/11
Games 45.2
Wins 28
Draw 10.2
Loss 7
Conceded 39
Win Rate 0.62
Goals per Game 0.86
% Shots on Target Conceded 22.29%
Penalties conceded/faced 5/5
Clean sheets 44.25%
Shots on target ave/match 3.8

Brez 2010/11(in a cup run with a lot of second string players, 9 games spread out over the season, only playing full consecutive games once)
Games 8.8
Wins 4
Draw 2.8
loss 2 (one v premier league opposition playing the game that helped them beat liverpool and arsenal, draw with chelsea and man city, the other was a game after we had won the league, and had no Murray in the team)
Conceded 10
Win Rate 0.45
Goals per game 1.14
Penalties conceded/faced 0/4
Clean sheets 43.18%
Shots on target ave/match 5

Brez 2009/10
Games 20
Wins 9
Draw 5
loss 6
Conceded 17
Win Rate 0.45
Goals per game 0.85
Clean sheets 45%
Shots on target ave/match 4.6


Brez faces more shots per match, but keeps as many clean sheets
Given an extended run in the team he concedes the same number of goals/game (well, fractionally less, but not to a notable degree)
Even without an extended run, he keeps the same amount of clean sheets.
I don't have penalty stats for 2009/10, (I remember him saving one on his debut), but last year Brez conceded none of the four he faced, Casper conceded all five he faced.

Total crap in my eyes the world is full of people with statistics which can be manipulated to answer any argument that you wish.

The crux of the matter is the confidence the keeper gives to his defenders and in this case I think Ankergren wins hands down . With the ball at his feet Brezovan invariably plays his teamates into trouble or hurried passes. He has not played against strikers of the quality of The Championship so the statistics mean jack s..t. o His record in cup ties against better strikers has been woeful to say the least.

So unless Gus can find a gem not with a club it is stick with Ankergren for me.

 

[Samej]

He's making the point that while Brez is as good as casper overall, he isn't comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is an important part of the way we play.

I would argue Capser didn't look too comfortable when we started playing it last season, but grew into the role, and given a run of consecutive games Brez could improve. His starting point (with regard to how good he is on the ball) is worse than casper's was, though.

How can a keeper that gas let in 3 goals in 3 games on the trot keep his place in the team with a perfectly good sub on the bench,the keeper is supposed to manage the defense and save goals for fucks sake, if the defense are shit then the keeper takes some blame for that.Brezovan has to step up now, if he has to Knock Gus out and demand his place in the team he must do it or f*** off and play in league 1.

 

[honey boy zimba]

for once i totally agree with mr hut both full backs have me worried at this level, however all three goalkeepers are not up to it and i question Tony Goddens abillity as a keeper coach when I watch him work with them he dosnt look inspiring and looks to old and slow...cant really base it on much just a feeling realy but did play keeper at county league level and have fa keeper coaching badges so have a small knowledge on subject

 

[Oscar]

Ankergren is Championship standard. There are far more pressing matters for Gus to address than his best keeper.

 

[Acker79]

With the ball at his feet Brezovan invariably plays his teamates into trouble or hurried passes.

As Ankergren was doing early last season v Rochdale, Walsall. Those were some nervy games when he elphick and El abd were passing it between them.

Incidentally, he was doing that v Palace, too.

He has not played against strikers of the quality of The Championship so the statistics mean jack s..t. o His record in cup ties against better strikers has been woeful to say the least.

Two wins, only conceding one goal v portsmouth (a very comfortable win) and watford is Woeful?

So unless Gus can find a gem not with a club it is stick with Ankergren for me.

For the record, I'm not arguing we should drop Casper, I'm arguing that Brezovan isn't actually as bad as people say he is, and that overall he is a comparable keeper to Casper.

 

[BensGrandad]

For the record, I'm not arguing we should drop Casper, I'm arguing that Brezovan isn't actually as bad as people say he is, and that overall he is a comparable keeper to Casper.

That is where we disagree I do not think he is as good as Casper. He is well over 6ft tall but you wouldnt think so when he comes for crosses and is no better than Casper on that score nor with the ball at his feet possibly comparable as a shot stopper on 1 on 1 s.

 

[Beach Hut]

Brez cannot distribute the ball from his feet, we would concede far more goals playing him

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Brez cannot distribute the ball from his feet, we would concede far more goals playing him

He's only conceded 3 goals once, against Stoke. He kept a clean sheet against Watford and conceded one against Pompey. I think he should be given a go.

 

[Samej]

That is where we disagree I do not think he is as good as Casper. He is well over 6ft tall but you wouldnt think so when he comes for crosses and is no better than Casper on that score nor with the ball at his feet possibly comparable as a shot stopper on 1 on 1 s.

Its about earning your place in the team in gus poyets words, letting in 9 goals in 3 games is not earning your place it is downright shit, bring on Brezovan.If you aint got the bollox to play your reserve keeper gus then f*** off to chelsea now , you are talking the talk but not walking the walk.

 

[Beach Hut]

Its about earning your place in the team in gus poyets words, letting in 9 goals in 3 games is not earning your place it is downright shit, bring on Brezovan.If you aint got the bollox to play your reserve keeper gus then f*** off to chelsea now , you are talking the talk but not walking the walk.

Using the same logic then all the defence needs replacing as well ?

 

[Shooting Star]

Yes, more than i currently trust Ankers hoofing it to the opposing defence.

I agree, but surely this is Gus' plan. I fail to see how Poyet could keep allowing Ankergren to do this for whole halves at a time a la Leicester and Palace and not tell him to stop doing it. This Plan B is certainly not working, but I really don't think it's Casper's fault.

 

[BensGrandad]

Its about earning your place in the team in gus poyets words, letting in 9 goals in 3 games is not earning your place it is downright shit, bring on Brezovan.If you aint got the bollox to play your reserve keeper gus then f*** off to chelsea now , you are talking the talk but not walking the walk.

You can only replace the players for whom you have better and obviously Gus thinks that Ankergren is the best but Brezovan would do in an emergency but not all of the time.

 

[Samej]

Using the same logic then all the defence needs replacing as well ?

Not what isaid, casper is going through a bad spell 9 goals in 3 games all players go through it.We have a reserve keeper for a reason lets use him thats what he is there for.

 

[jack phillips]

brez is dog shit