[Politics] Brexit

[Randy McNob]

 

[Is it PotG?]

Well done Randy, three posts in a row.

Well done you.

 

[Baldseagull]

I am pleased you are happy stating a fact and you deserve credit for doing so (other #teameu members please take note) but I see you have introduced a 'net benefit 'criteria which introduces all sorts of assumptions and interpretations, see also 'damn lies and statistics'. But I bow to your superior knowledge of the sanitary product industry and acknowledge it's entirely possible the benefit of the new zero rate may be minimal which makes no difference to the underlying reason to Vote leave. The UK government regained the power to set the rate and did so on day 1 compared to trying to bring about change within the EU which took years and still has not been implemented. Moreover, If we don't like the tax rates the government sets we can lobby our MP to bring about a change and if that fails we the Great British Public can ultimately vote the government out.

Yes, one of the big issues with the EU is that changes can take a long time to happen. Nobody said it was perfect, just better to be in it than out of it.

Net benefit is kind of important don't you think? If someone said we would save £350 million a week if we left the EU, but didn't mention that because we had left the EU, our major export would be less exportable, thousands of jobs would go from the UK economy into EU states, and there would be no net benefit, and in fact you would be worse off, you would feel conned wouldn't you?
As for Tampons, the principle of removing the VAT is correct, they are not luxury items, but achieving that by leaving the EU is a Pyrrhic victory.

The Fishermen can catch more fish, but can sell less, no net benefit, pardon the pun.
UK Parliament has greater sovereignty, but will face sanctions if it diverges greatly from the EU standards, over which it now has no direct influence.
Is there a net gain in sovereignty, or have we become now more of a rule taker, where we had once been one of the rule makers?

The Net benefits are the benefits, if there is no net benefit, then any "benefits" you have are just consolations.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yes, one of the big issues with the EU is that changes can take a long time to happen. Nobody said it was perfect, just better to be in it than out of it.

Net benefit is kind of important don't you think? If someone said we would save £350 million a week if we left the EU, but didn't mention that because we had left the EU, our major export would be less exportable, thousands of jobs would go from the UK economy into EU states, and there would be no net benefit, and in fact you would be worse off, you would feel conned wouldn't you?
As for Tampons, the principle of removing the VAT is correct, they are not luxury items, but achieving that by leaving the EU is a Pyrrhic victory.

The Fishermen can catch more fish, but can sell less, no net benefit, pardon the pun.
UK Parliament has greater sovereignty, but will face sanctions if it diverges greatly from the EU standards, over which it now has no direct influence.
Is there a net gain in sovereignty, or have we become now more of a rule taker, where we had once been one of the rule makers?

The Net benefits are the benefits, if there is no net benefit, then any "benefits" you have are just consolations.

But the vote was to leave and we left so you're assumption is incorrect, any news on that emergency budget yet ? Or are you still going to bang on about fish to some how make yourself feel better
Regards
DF

 

[Mo Gosfield]

The truth is that no one is really sure how it is all going to pan out. It is speculation and assumption. Most seem to assume that nothing is going to change within the EU ( lets wait and see ) and none of us have a clue what changes our government are going to make. Taxation is a prime example. We will have to wait 3-4 year to see if tax changes reap benefit.
One thing we all know is that had there been no Covid 19, the ultimate damage done by Brexit would have been pretty small on the grand scheme of things. It wouldn't have caused the worst decline in global economies since the 1930's. It wouldn't have seen the government paying a quarter of the workforce to stay at home. It wouldn't have seen unemployment in the millions and thousands of businesses, previously profitable, going bust. Whole swathes of industry damaged for decades. The criminal justice system damaged for years. A backlog of over 450,000 cases. Three years for cases to be heard. Children's education set back and damaged. Market trends accelerated 5-10 years in months. The decline of the high street. The move to online shopping. The move to work from home and the vast hole that leaves in the economy. Healthcare. Virtually every illness on hold to cope with Covid. People will die early from cancer, heart issues and all many of other serious problems that may well have been detected earlier, in a less pressurised system. Let alone, all the fit and healthy ones catching this wretched virus and leaving us early. Debt beyond imagination, that will still be a millstone around the necks of our children, most of their working lives.
Just a few things to contemplate, whilst still blowing a gasket over Brexit. Yes, its important but in the whole scheme of things, a lot of the ongoing issues will get sorted. The effects of Covid 19 will still be felt when we are all driving electric cars and some of us on here are no longer around

 

[A1X]

Boris Johnson blames seafood exporters ‘not filling in the right forms’ for post-Brexit sales crash

Boris Johnson has blamed seafood exporters for their post-Brexit crash in sales, claiming they are “not filling in the right forms”

The prime minister also claimed the UK would control “all the fish” in its coastal waters in years to come – even though the EU has the right to impose harsh retaliation if it tries

“Unfortunately, the demand in restaurants on the Continent for UK fish has not been what it was before the pandemic,” Mr Johnson told an interviewer

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-seafood-sales-boris-johnson-b1788936.html

Total and complete idiocy from Johnson at the very top to the last dregs of the cap doffers on NSC at the very bottom.

They're consistent, you have to give them that

Ah, I see that as well as being to blame for the pandemic the public are also to blame for Brexit.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The truth is that no one is really sure how it is all going to pan out. It is speculation and assumption. Most seem to assume that nothing is going to change within the EU ( lets wait and see ) and none of us have a clue what changes our government are going to make. Taxation is a prime example. We will have to wait 3-4 year to see if tax changes reap benefit.
One thing we all know is that had there been no Covid 19, the ultimate damage done by Brexit would have been pretty small on the grand scheme of things. It wouldn't have caused the worst decline in global economies since the 1930's. It wouldn't have seen the government paying a quarter of the workforce to stay at home. It wouldn't have seen unemployment in the millions and thousands of businesses, previously profitable, going bust. Whole swathes of industry damaged for decades. The criminal justice system damaged for years. A backlog of over 450,000 cases. Three years for cases to be heard. Children's education set back and damaged. Market trends accelerated 5-10 years in months. The decline of the high street. The move to online shopping. The move to work from home and the vast hole that leaves in the economy. Healthcare. Virtually every illness on hold to cope with Covid. People will die early from cancer, heart issues and all many of other serious problems that may well have been detected earlier, in a less pressurised system. Let alone, all the fit and healthy ones catching this wretched virus and leaving us early. Debt beyond imagination, that will still be a millstone around the necks of our children, most of their working lives.
Just a few things to contemplate, whilst still blowing a gasket over Brexit. Yes, its important but in the whole scheme of things, a lot of the ongoing issues will get sorted. The effects of Covid 19 will still be felt when we are all driving electric cars and some of us on here are no longer around

You seem to have got the wrong thread for your Covid post.

This is the Brexit thread where you constantly backed Brexit and how good it will be, 'particularly for SME's, the lifeblood of the economy' (your words, not mine) particularly how good Brexit was going to be for the company you owned. How's that going ?

You then did a U-turn and lied claiming you didn't vote for it - Remember

Or was that a really poor attempt to join in with the other dregs of Brexit supporters on this thread with their 'point over there and run away' strategy to taking responsibility for what you've done

 

[nicko31]

The truth is that no one is really sure how it is all going to pan out. It is speculation and assumption. Most seem to assume that nothing is going to change within the EU ( lets wait and see ) and none of us have a clue what changes our government are going to make. Taxation is a prime example. We will have to wait 3-4 year to see if tax changes reap benefit.
One thing we all know is that had there been no Covid 19, the ultimate damage done by Brexit would have been pretty small on the grand scheme of things. It wouldn't have caused the worst decline in global economies since the 1930's. It wouldn't have seen the government paying a quarter of the workforce to stay at home. It wouldn't have seen unemployment in the millions and thousands of businesses, previously profitable, going bust. Whole swathes of industry damaged for decades. The criminal justice system damaged for years. A backlog of over 450,000 cases. Three years for cases to be heard. Children's education set back and damaged. Market trends accelerated 5-10 years in months. The decline of the high street. The move to online shopping. The move to work from home and the vast hole that leaves in the economy. Healthcare. Virtually every illness on hold to cope with Covid. People will die early from cancer, heart issues and all many of other serious problems that may well have been detected earlier, in a less pressurised system. Let alone, all the fit and healthy ones catching this wretched virus and leaving us early. Debt beyond imagination, that will still be a millstone around the necks of our children, most of their working lives.
Just a few things to contemplate, whilst still blowing a gasket over Brexit. Yes, its important but in the whole scheme of things, a lot of the ongoing issues will get sorted. The effects of Covid 19 will still be felt when we are all driving electric cars and some of us on here are no longer around

Covid is a disaster especially for the UK with government mishandling putting us near the top of the table for deaths and pretty much the worst economic hit in the developed world.

The fact is though that Johnson had a choice about Brexit, with the national emergency he could have had more time to do a better FTA and get infrastructure and processes in place to protect business and jobs. The EU would have agreed and the public would have accepted it knowing we'd already left.

Unfortunately, again he has tried to wing it and hope it would all fall into place. The reality is its damaging many industries that were largely unaffected by Covid and piling on more pain for others. Ordinary folk will suffer

Doing this in the middle of a global pandemic for party political reasons is criminal, nothing else. Its because Johnson is an incredibly weak leader, the worse PM is recent times..

As for the benefits time will tell, but right now what is being delivered is a long way from Vote Leave's commitments in 2016. Brexit has already cost the UK circa £250B that's a lot and we're only just left the SM / CU.

If the UK economy had been your bank account would you have gambled it all? Johnson didn't care, its someone elses money...

 

[WATFORD zero]

Covid is a disaster especially for the UK with government mishandling putting us near the top of the table for deaths and pretty much the worst economic hit in the developed world.

The fact is though that Johnson had a choice about Brexit, with the national emergency he could have had more time to do a better FTA and get infrastructure and processes in place to protect business and jobs. The EU would have agreed and the public would have accepted it knowing we'd already left.

Unfortunately, again he has tried to wing it and hope it would all fall into place. The reality is its damaging many industries that were largely unaffected by Covid and piling on more pain for others. Ordinary folk will suffer

Doing this in the middle of a global pandemic for party political reasons is criminal, nothing else. Its because Johnson is an incredibly weak leader, the worse PM is recent times..

As for the benefits time will tell, but right now what is being delivered is a long way from Vote Leave's commitments in 2016. Brexit has already cost the UK circa £250B that's a lot and we're only just left the SM / CU.

If the UK economy had been your bank account would you have gambled it all? Johnson didn't care, its someone elses money...

And now he's throwing around more taxpayer's money to try and cover his latest completely obvious and foreseeable load of f*** ups

Fishing industry to be compensated for Brexit 'teething problems'

Boris Johnson has said that the fishing industry would be compensated for any problems caused by new post Brexit customs procedures.

Johnson, echoing comments he made last week, said that problems at the borders, which have seen some exporters unable to sell their catch, were “teething problems”. A fund of £23m will be made available to those firms which have suffered “through no fault of their own”.

His comments came as a number of lorries carrying shellfish parked in the roads around Downing Street yesterday afternoon in protest at the new rules. More than 20 lorries were reportedly involved, with some bearing slogans such as “Brexit carnage”.

https://www.cityam.com/load-of-pollocks-shellfish-exporters-protest-brexit-rules-outside-downing-street/

 

[Randy McNob]

wtf has covid got to do with Brexit?

 

[Is it PotG?]

wtf has covid got to do with Brexit?

NSC could make a thread on 'which baby stroller should I buy?' roll into a Brexit AND/OR Covid binfest within 10 posts.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You seem to have got the wrong thread for your Covid post.

This is the Brexit thread where you constantly backed Brexit and how good it will be, 'particularly for SME's, the lifeblood of the economy' (your words, not mine) particularly how good Brexit was going to be for the company you owned. How's that going ?

You then did a U-turn and lied claiming you didn't vote for it - Remember

Or was that a really poor attempt to join in with the other dregs of Brexit supporters on this thread with their 'point over there and run away' strategy to taking responsibility for what you've done

Run away ? Brino ,informed friend spring to mind
PMSL !
regards
DF

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

And now he's throwing around more taxpayer's money to try and cover his latest completely obvious and foreseeable load of f*** ups

Fishing industry to be compensated for Brexit 'teething problems'

Boris Johnson has said that the fishing industry would be compensated for any problems caused by new post Brexit customs procedures.

Johnson, echoing comments he made last week, said that problems at the borders, which have seen some exporters unable to sell their catch, were “teething problems”. A fund of £23m will be made available to those firms which have suffered “through no fault of their own”.

His comments came as a number of lorries carrying shellfish parked in the roads around Downing Street yesterday afternoon in protest at the new rules. More than 20 lorries were reportedly involved, with some bearing slogans such as “Brexit carnage”.

https://www.cityam.com/load-of-pollocks-shellfish-exporters-protest-brexit-rules-outside-downing-street/

As you know I think Brexit it a terrible idea, however I am not sure now is the time to judge the fish situation given restaurants/shops are shut so the demand across Europe is down.

I am sure you are right, but maybe wait till Covid is done before judging it completely.

 

[Randy McNob]

NSC could make a thread on 'which baby stroller should I buy?' roll into a Brexit AND/OR Covid binfest within 10 posts.

 

[nicko31]

And now he's throwing around more taxpayer's money to try and cover his latest completely obvious and foreseeable load of f*** ups

Fishing industry to be compensated for Brexit 'teething problems'

Boris Johnson has said that the fishing industry would be compensated for any problems caused by new post Brexit customs procedures.

Johnson, echoing comments he made last week, said that problems at the borders, which have seen some exporters unable to sell their catch, were “teething problems”. A fund of £23m will be made available to those firms which have suffered “through no fault of their own”.

His comments came as a number of lorries carrying shellfish parked in the roads around Downing Street yesterday afternoon in protest at the new rules. More than 20 lorries were reportedly involved, with some bearing slogans such as “Brexit carnage”.

https://www.cityam.com/load-of-pollocks-shellfish-exporters-protest-brexit-rules-outside-downing-street/

Wonder who else can apply for help from the victims of Brexit fund?

Incidentally, where is the former MEP that only attended 1 in 42 meetings on EU fisheries, our original "fishermans friend"?

 

[A1X]

And now he's throwing around more taxpayer's money to try and cover his latest completely obvious and foreseeable load of f*** ups

Fishing industry to be compensated for Brexit 'teething problems'

Boris Johnson has said that the fishing industry would be compensated for any problems caused by new post Brexit customs procedures.

Johnson, echoing comments he made last week, said that problems at the borders, which have seen some exporters unable to sell their catch, were “teething problems”. A fund of £23m will be made available to those firms which have suffered “through no fault of their own”.

His comments came as a number of lorries carrying shellfish parked in the roads around Downing Street yesterday afternoon in protest at the new rules. More than 20 lorries were reportedly involved, with some bearing slogans such as “Brexit carnage”.

https://www.cityam.com/load-of-pollocks-shellfish-exporters-protest-brexit-rules-outside-downing-street/

Brexit.

It's going so well we're having to bribe people to shut up about the problems.

 

[WATFORD zero]

As you know I think Brexit it a terrible idea, however I am not sure now is the time to judge the fish situation given restaurants/shops are shut so the demand across Europe is down.

I am sure you are right, but maybe wait till Covid is done before judging it completely.

I'm sure you're correct and that demand is hugely down across Europe, but as far as I can see, it's this seriously reduced demand that our Fish industry are unable to supply because of the new rules and regulations.

Certainly the fishing industry are saying that unless something is done immediately, there will be no fishing industry left to judge.

And, given that these rules and regulations that the industry say are crippling them are the ones that we, as a country signed up to 4 weeks ago, I really can't see a way out for the fishing industry. The negotiations are done, dusted and signed. I don't think the EU will be up for starting again on them

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

As you know I think Brexit it a terrible idea, however I am not sure now is the time to judge the fish situation given restaurants/shops are shut so the demand across Europe is down.

I am sure you are right, but maybe wait till Covid is done before judging it completely.

Idea ?its a reality
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

And now he's throwing around more taxpayer's money to try and cover his latest completely obvious and foreseeable load of f*** ups

Fishing industry to be compensated for Brexit 'teething problems'

Boris Johnson has said that the fishing industry would be compensated for any problems caused by new post Brexit customs procedures.

Johnson, echoing comments he made last week, said that problems at the borders, which have seen some exporters unable to sell their catch, were “teething problems”. A fund of £23m will be made available to those firms which have suffered “through no fault of their own”.

His comments came as a number of lorries carrying shellfish parked in the roads around Downing Street yesterday afternoon in protest at the new rules. More than 20 lorries were reportedly involved, with some bearing slogans such as “Brexit carnage”.

https://www.cityam.com/load-of-pollocks-shellfish-exporters-protest-brexit-rules-outside-downing-street/

What are you going to complain about next I wonder
Regards
DF

 

[nicko31]

I'm sure you're correct and that demand is hugely down across Europe, but as far as I can see, it's this seriously reduced demand that our Fish industry are unable to supply because of the new rules and regulations.

Certainly the fishing industry are saying that unless something is done immediately, there will be no fishing industry left to judge.

And, given that these rules and regulations that the industry say are crippling them are the ones that we, as a country signed up to 4 weeks ago, I really can't see a way out for the fishing industry. The negotiations are done, dusted and signed. I don't think the EU will be up for starting again on them

Shellfish is a live product with short shelf life and needs fictionless trade to be sustainable, 4 weeks in and we're already engaging in state aid..