[Politics] Brexit

[Lower West Stander]

It will be interesting to see what Scotland does now.

I see how they benefit from membership of the EU institutions and being part of a 450 million Single Market. I also see how they will gain influence being part of the EU whilst being attached to the EU's biggest trading partner too.

Now we are out the the EU the argument for staying part of the UK is that much weaker.

And if Scotland is curious about the pros and cons of leaving a fractious domestic union and joining the EU as an independent nation then maybe they should ask Croatia how it has gone for them since leaving the Serbia-dominated Yugoslavia and joining the EU.

Yes agree - it will be really interesting.

Jimmy Krankie has consistently used this and blame the English for everything as her get out of jail free card. With Covid going through the roof up there and no prospect of a referendum for a while, Scotland are stuck with this for now. And it might just be a whole lot better for them then the picture she has been painting.

If Labour get their act together as well up there, I think she may have problems convincing the Scottish public. It'll be back to Rob Roy and the Act of Union.

 

[dangull]

The SNP are determined to leave the UK no matter what. They are just using the EU referendum as an excuse for another vote. If it turns out that it actually was a good decision, they will look for other reasons for independence.

 

[Eeyore]

We are unshackled . All along Germany wanted to rule us. Didn’t win two world wars & lose so many to be part of their brand plans.

Feeling, very, very happy today. Almost as good as BHA winning the Premier or a Cup. If only lightning would strike twice

I think this is what they call

 

[Shooting Star]

Well done Boris, step 2 on our path to rejoining has occurred. now SNP to win the elections in May (who would ever have thought Nicola Sturgeon would prove herself the best political leader in the Uk) Then we can vote on leaving England which no Tory can help by saying any of their ‘stronger together’ bollocks. Then we rejoin the EU and take the Euro (back to a hard currency). Won’t be much longer after that until Northern Ireland departs after that. So Boris and his ERG buddies can be proud of their break up of the UK all was it all part of little englander / bigotry / xenophobic / racist plan.

I feel so sorry for all you who lose a job next year over this

Not disputing some of the things you claim will occur in Scotland, but today's deal doesn't make Scotland leaving the UK more likely, does it? I'm not Scottish, but if anything it'd make it marginally less likely I imagine as no-deal would have emboldened people in Scotland further to seek independence?

Also, I have read that there is no guarantee that Scotland would be allowed into the EU. Not sure how true/false that is.

 

[TomandJerry]

Not disputing some of the things you claim will occur in Scotland, but today's deal doesn't make Scotland leaving the UK more likely, does it? I'm not Scottish, but if anything it'd make it marginally less likely I imagine as no-deal would have emboldened people in Scotland further to seek independence?

Also, I have read that there is no guarantee that Scotland would be allowed into the EU. Not sure how true/false that is.

Scotland would have to accept the Euro to join the EU now.

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[Pretty pink fairy]

I am sure in your mind your endorsement is universally appreciated Dead Frog.

It's all over Lever move on now, out of the EU out of the customs union out of the Single Market out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ plus a trade Deal ,
R.I.P Watford bloke ,Dave in Denial , tubby ,Nicko AX1, Mr custard face , Grombleton, Vegster Simster, Hampster ,Grizzling Gammon ,Plooks Nibble ,Guinness boy and any other loser I forgot to mention
Merry Christmas to one and all
Regards
DF

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Scotland would have to accept the Euro to join the EU now.

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It’s worth a lot more than the pound...bit of a no-brainer.

 

[disgruntled h blocker]

There is no deal yet for services... so this will be the next battle.

 

[Notters]

This is exactly why a General Election was required. Because the result of the democratically-held referendum showed no sign of ever being enacted by MPs who thought they knew better than the people they were elected to represent

That is literally what they are there for, to know better and make decisions based on that knowledge.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...bad-as-you-thought?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Lever]

It's all over Lever move on now out of the EU out of the customs union out of the Single Market out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ plus a trade Deal ,
R.I.P Watford bloke ,Dave in Denial , tubby ,Nicko AX1, Mr custard face , Grombleton, Vegster Simster, Hampster ,Grizzling Gammon ,Plooks Nibble Guinness boy and any other loser I forgot to mention
Merry Christmas to one and all
Regards
DF

In many ways it is all over Dog Faeces but gleeful gloating does nothing to forge better relations between the opposing factions.
You delight in the divisions which is why you will soon be redundant (in more ways than one)

I wish you the Christmas you deserve,

 

[Sorrel]

Glad to see this has happened - with undoubtedly some give and take on both sides, more so on the UK side as would be expected from a smaller country - but it does mean we have implemented the vote from 2016 and can now move forwards.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

As you kept pointing out, you were(sic) out a year ago.

I assume you still have absolutely no idea what this deal is or means, but that shouldn't stop you with your celebrating

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BEAc&usg=AOvVaw03XF-DGFyj8pEwtttwxKW8&ampcf=1
Regards
DF

 

[Super Steve Earle]

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...bad-as-you-thought?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Two lines in. Labour should oppose it. Yay, let's have a No-Deal crash out of Europe Brexit instead. That's the obvious way forward now.

I love the way Mail readers get mocked by posters who live and breathe by what they read in the Guardian, yet no trace of irony.

 

[Half Time Pies]

Wonder if this deal is better or worse or pretty much the same as the May Deal? Has the deal changed much or has parliament just been largely cleared of MPs who were only ever absolutely clear about what they DIDN'T want? Which was just about any deal and every deal

As I understood it May's deal involved much closer ties with the EU than this deal (which is essentially a standard free trade agreement). As I remember it the main point of disagreement over the May deal was a potential tie in to the customs union, which would have made trade between the EU and Britain much more seamless, less red tape and border checks, but the fear was that it may have reduced the ability for the UK to strike its own trade deals with other nations.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

In many ways it is all over Dog Faeces but gleeful gloating does nothing to forge better relations between the opposing factions.
You delight in the divisions which is why you will soon be redundant (in more ways than one)

I wish you the Christmas you deserve,

Thank you
Regards
DF

 

[whosthedaddy]

A £660billion Brexit Trade deal with the EU

Well done Boris and co, at least you didn't waver and collapse like the Theresa May Brexit team did, you stood firm, held your nerve and fought for your country.

This will have truly upset those in at the BBC who don't easily hide their contempt for Johnson and his party.

 

[GT49er]

Wonder if this deal is better or worse or pretty much the same as the May Deal? Has the deal changed much or has parliament just been largely cleared of MPs who were only ever absolutely clear about what they DIDN'T want? Which was just about any deal and every deal

Good question! As somebody said earlier in the thread, the devil's in the detail. Have we, for instance, sold our fishermen up the swanee (again)?

 

[beorhthelm]

It will be interesting to see what Scotland does now.

I see how they benefit from membership of the EU institutions and being part of a 450 million Single Market. I also see how they will gain influence being part of the EU whilst being attached to the EU's biggest trading partner too.

Now we are out the the EU the argument for staying part of the UK is that much weaker.

not really, trade with EU is ~18%, trade with UK ~60% exports. all the arguments for UK staying in EU are valid and stronger for Scotland staying in the UK. as they wouldn't move from UK to EU, theres a problem of how to manage that transition for unknown period.

 

[vagabond]

A deal has been done !

I voted Remain, but that's pretty reductionist and demeaning to 52% of the voters, don't you think? And you don't reckon many a Remain voter was brainwashed with "better together" and "leavers are robbing our kids of their future", when in reality very few Brits (especially low-income workers) would ever be in a position to taste the benefits of EU membership, such as the ability to work in Europe (and I count myself as one who has, having lived and worked in Germany for a time)?

I don’t mean to be harsh, but this is my experience with the vast majority of Brexit voters unfortunately. Even on this very thread, have you seen a good solid argument for why Brexit is a good thing?

“Less red tape”... err, ok.

Completely duped by Farage, Cameron and his Tory cronies.