[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAFegQIBBAJ&usg=AOvVaw3YTGiFdUsLxJ-c7z4Miwie
Some on here need a good dose of This
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I have just read that Sir Nicholas Soames had already decided not to stand at the next GE. so I will leave him to rest with his conscience after voting against the government. In fairness he has been a very helpful MP to many but I still think that his actions are a disgrace.

Along with the stains on here who support his actions
regards
DF

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Seems there’s going to be quite a few new Tory candidates at the next election. Which does beg the question what sort of person would now volunteer to represent that bunch of *****? In my mind I imagine similar to the weirdos that put themselves forwards to be football referees.

Could be a they have a pact with the Brexit Party, Farage has said he will do a deal, Johnson needs their votes. The Brexit Party will not take Johnson's word as he has shown his word means little. They will need something in place to be able to challenge him if he reneges on any promises. One way would be to stand ex Tory now Brexit party candidates to stand. Perhaps move away from a unionist party to more of an English nationalist platform to gain these votes and win seats in the North away from Labour.

 

[Lever]

Along with the stains on here who support his actions
regards
DF

You sound upset about people acting in a principled way, Damned Fool.
Never mind eh......

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You sound upset Damned Fool.
Never mind eh......

Waiting patiently
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

Waiting patiently
Regards
DF

Any chance of you waiting silently? We'd all appreciate it and you would save yourself further embarrassment....

 

[WATFORD zero]

Any chance of you waiting silently? We'd all appreciate it and you would save yourself further embarrassment....

But deny everyone else a lot of amusement

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy ...

 

[Lever]

But deny everyone else a lot of amusement

I agree, but it is becoming a cruel sport, like poking a pig with a stick.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I guess Irony is yet another thing you don't understand, how many times have you been asked today ? (it's 4)

So which are you backing today, the 'good deal' lie or the 'no deal' lie ?

It's just that you've always claimed 'no deal' was a negotiating position to get you your 'good deal'. But since you now understand that you have no idea what a 'good deal' looks like, and while Johnson seems incapable of actually outlining a proposal to put to the EU to begin negotiations on his 'good deal', it must be a fairly confusing time for you

 

[joydivisionovengloves]

If this was 1916.

If this was 1916, Johnson, Rees-Mogg and their chums would be the ones sending us and our sons off to die in the trenches.

How can anyone fall for their over grown sense of entitlement and callous disregard for anyone but their own kind ?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Johnson in trouble with his own 1922 committee.


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[Herr Tubthumper]

Johnson in trouble with his own 1922 committee.


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Lovely stuff.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I disagree with most of this.

Yes, SNP will pick up more seats (mainly from Tories) and Lib Dems will pick up more seats in rural areas (nearly exclusively from Tories) but can't see the LDs making many inroads elsewhere - they came second in just 38 seats in the 2017 election (nearly all to Tories). They may have hopes of picking up Vauxhall as it's a Remain seat held by Brexiteer Kate Hoey but she's retiring and it's odds-on that the Labour PPC will be a Remainer.

As I pointed out yesterday, Johnson has a dilemma. He can put himself forward as someone who can get a better deal than May - but that will mean that the Brexit Party will stand against him - or he can explicitly say that he's for No Deal - which will stop the BP but ensure that a lot of middle-of-the-road Tories arre unrepresented. He'll also have at least two former Tory ministers (Hammond and Stewart standing as independents - that's not a good look.

He's also, as we've seen in the past couple of days, a poor performer under pressure, Corbyn is a good campaigner and gain ground during an election.

There's talk of Corbyn delaying the election until November - after an EU extension - and that will hit Johnson hard. Remember "out by 31 October, no ifs or buts"?

I think the next parliament will be a hung parliament but it wouldn't shock me if Labour were the largest party

You've got to remember in 2017 the Tories were campaigning with an Austerity Chancellor whereas in 2019 Johnson will be shaking the Magic Money Tree for all it is worth. And Boris is far more charismatic that May and has more experience on the campaign trail than she did. Corbyn is also 2 years older and while that didn't matter so much when he was up against May and Cable it is not ideal when he's facing the more dynamic Boris and Swinson.

I am in agreement with you that the next parliament will be a hung Parliament but I expect the Tories to be the largest party, however they may not have enough coalition partners to get a working majority in the HofC - I'm sure the DUP would be willing to work with them again and The Brexit Party but how many seats would they win between them - 10-15 tops. It is conceivable that between them Labour and the Lib Dems could scrape together a majority but I think this is also unlikely. The problem with bringing on board the SNP in coalition is that their price will be IndyRef2.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

We are still in the EU and Boris is being shown up, owned and humiliated by all and sundry whilst his party rips itself to shreds. I really don’t want this to end.

 

[The Clamp]

We are still in the EU and Boris is being shown up, owned and humiliated by all and sundry whilst his party rips itself to shreds. I really don’t want this to end.

Could be just what we need to reset the country. And as a bonus the Brexiteers on here are hating it. Squirming doesn’t begin to describe it.

Reality check. Brexit cannot be implemented safely. It never stood a chance.

 

[dingodan]

Trust in British democracy is now all but dead.

I hope those who have all along intended to overturn the democratic instruction of the majority feel it was worth it.

I don't see how anything could be though. If you think living with no-deal would have been bad, well now we will have to live with no-democracy.

The price of all this is yet to be fully appreciated IMO, and it's going to be a far far higher price than no-deal in the long term.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Trust in British democracy is now all but dead.

I hope those who have all along intended to overturn the democratic instruction of the majority feel it was worth it.

I don't see how anything could be though. If you think living with no-deal would have been bad, well now we will have to live with no-democracy.

The price of all this is yet to be fully appreciated IMO, and it's going to be a far far higher price than no-deal in the long term.

No it won't.

 

[The Clamp]

Trust in British democracy is now all but dead.

I hope those who have all along intended to overturn the democratic instruction of the majority feel it was worth it.

I don't see how anything could be though. If you think living with no-deal would have been bad, well now we will have to live with no-democracy.

The price of all this is yet to be fully appreciated IMO, and it's going to be a far far higher price than no-deal in the long term.

Given your glorious saviour’s behaviour over the last six weeks, you are in a position unsuitable for judging.

Besides, let’s not lose sight of what matters. While everyone is desperate to avoid a No Deal there are still some true patriots, such as myself who still want Article 50 revoked. Yes, great if we can stop a No Deal but it’s also vital we remain in the EU. That way democracy is upheld AND the country isn’t in ruins.
Let’s not lose sight of the bigger picture; NO BREXIT.

 

[Gwylan]

You've got to remember in 2017 the Tories were campaigning with an Austerity Chancellor whereas in 2019 Johnson will be shaking the Magic Money Tree for all it is worth.

I think that's to Labour's advantage. During the last election there were jibes about the magic money tree and how the Conservatives were fiscally responsible. We now have Johnson making wild, uncosted, promises - far beyond Corbyn's proposals. I'm not sure that's all in the Tories' favour.

And Boris is far more charismatic that May and has more experience on the campaign trail than she did.

I'm certainly not sure about this. Johnson is not great in public where he hasn't got a friendly audience - look at his performance in the House over the past couple of days, he's looked out of his depth. Remember, during the leadership hustings he was kept away from any tricky interviews and pulled out of a couple of debates. My main reason for thinking that Labour will do better than the polls suggest is because Johnson is so poor on the campaign trail.
Cummings is also a loose cannon and it's not beyond him to come up with some barking idea during the course of the election.

Corbyn is also 2 years older and while that didn't matter so much when he was up against May and Cable it is not ideal when he's facing the more dynamic Boris and Swinson.

Yes, that's a fair point. But it might be more reassuring to have an older head - a strong and stable politician