[Politics] Brexit

[Simster]

The referendum result was known in 2016, he’s spent the last 3 years calling for a GE, it looks like he’ll get his desire and now all of a sudden it doesn’t suit him?

Taking this post at face value, I'm assuming you don't know the reason why:

If Johnson calls an election, protocol is that it would be for around 14th October. However, he'd be within his rights to push it back on a whim, beyond 31st October. Natually that would be totally immoral but Johnson is a proven bullying liar, demonstrated by proroguing parliament. In fact, it is worse than that - if the government insider who was escorted out of number ten at gunpoint hadn't leaked the date he was to prorogue, there would have been no time to allow parliament to choose to take no deal off the table. He's undemocratic and a liar - not fit for office and certainly not to be trusted.

What Corbyn and the other opposition parties can now do is force him to take no deal off the table and delay Brexit. With that out of the way, they will then call a vote of no confidence, which they will win. We can then hopefully expect this whole sorry mess to be concluded - and get Brexit negotiated properly and reasonably, and that means anyone other than this current guise of the Tory party all the while this bullying faction of extremists hold sway.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Gotta say I’m thoroughly enjoying Boris as PM and the associated myth busting.

1) He’s a great orator. Totally disproved after day 1 of scrutiny yesterday.
2) Underneath the knockabout image is a clever and shrewd operator. Totally disproved with the way he’s being owned by the EU, owned by his own party and best of all his threat of an election is totally owned by the Labour Party. He’s totally boxed in.

History and damaged goods after how many days in power? And how many of those were during the recess?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Taking this post at face value, I'm assuming you don't know the reason why:

If Johnson calls an election, protocol is that it would be for around 14th October. However, he'd be within his rights to push it back on a whim, beyond 31st October. Natually that would be totally immoral but Johnson has proven he is a bullying liar by proroguing parliament. In fact, it is worse than that - if the government insider who was escorted out of number ten at gunpoint hadn't leaked the date he was to prorogue, there would have been no time to allow parliament to choose to take no deal off the table. He's undemocratic and a liar - not fit for office and certainly not to be trusted.

What Corbyn and the other opposition parties can now do is force him to take no deal off the table and delay Brexit. With that out of the way, they will then call a vote of no confidence, which they will win. We can then hopefully expect this whole sorry mess to be concluded - and get Brexit negotiated properly and reasonably, and that means anyone other than this current guise of the Tory party all the while this bullying faction of extremists hold sway.

And all after yesterday’s man is humiliated, crushed and then spat out.

 

[pb21]

Gotta say I’m thoroughly enjoying Boris as PM and the associated myth busting.

1) He’s a great orator. Totally disproved after day 1 of scrutiny yesterday.
2) Underneath the knockabout image is a clever and shrewd operator. Totally disproved with the way he’s being owned by the EU, owned by his own party and best of all his threat of an election is totally owned by the Labour Party. He’s totally boxed in.

History and damaged goods after how many days in power? And how many of those were during the recess?

If he loses the GE, I wonder where he will fit in to the all-time top three worst PMs?

1. Dave
2. May
3. Johnson

 

[beorhthelm]

Scottish court case to declare Johnson's prorogation illegal has been lost. Judge says matter is for politicans not courts.

i didnt think they'd uphold such an politically charged case, the arguments weren't made on law.

 

[Simster]

If he loses the GE, I wonder where he will fit in to the all-time top three worst PMs?

1. Dave
2. May
3. Johnson

In one week, he has overseen a working majority of 1 go to a shortfall of -43, by bullying and hounding out respected members of his own party, he has looked utter feeble and flustered at PMQT, and he has achieved absolutely f*ck all except to highlight what a dreadful man, unfit for office, he is.

I'd say he is already the worst PM in living memory.

 

[Stat Brother]

If he loses the GE, I wonder where he will fit in to the all-time top three worst PMs?

1. Dave
2. May
3. Johnson

Swap 2 & 3.

Dave should never ever be forgotten or forgiven for what he's done.

 

[Seaber]

Tories will probably lose most or all of their 13 Scottish seats to SNP/LD, and a few of their 8 in Wales are probable to Lab/LD.

If the Brexit party field candidates that could cut the Tories vote share and might let in a few more English Lab/LD MPs.

If the opposition don't grant an election until after the 31st, allowing time for rebel Tory and former Tory MPs to go on TV/radio and talk down the Government, Corbyn being fairly good on the campain trail (although he may be so well known by now that this is negligible), Boris Johnson & Co looking very weak from many angles (lying about prorogument, losing the first vote, expelling longstanding MPs, rumours of ignoring the law, Cummings' role being criticised from inside and outside the party, etc) and the recent LD resurgence, one could predict the GE as being a very risky move for the Government.

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

Jacob Rees Mogg .

hes a man of the peoeple looking after the workeing class

Regards
DR

 

[Gwylan]

In one week, he has overseen a working majority of 1 go to a shortfall of -43, by bullying and hounding out respected members of his own party, he has looked utter feeble and flustered at PMQT, and he has achieved absolutely f*ck all except to highlight what a dreadful man, unfit for office, he is.

I'd say he is already the worst PM in living memory.

I'd still say CMD has the honour. Created an unholy mess for country and party and ran away rather than help clear it up - incompetent AND cowardly.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

If he loses the GE, I wonder where he will fit in to the all-time top three worst PMs?

1.Dave
2.May
3.Johnson

Lord North tops that list, and no doubt there are others.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Take allegiances aside, has there ever been a more visually stomach-churning front 3 of Gove, Johnson and MOGGO sitting all together on the front bench?

It made me think of a weird school gang/trio from some sort of chic flick, high school film. Think Legally Blonde or such. Boris would be the mean popular girl at the front, Prom-queen wannabe Moggo would be the smart arse at the side, looking down her nose at everyone and Gove would be the thick one never fully understanding the plan but agreeing with everything the others say.

 

[Seaber]

hes a man of the peoeple looking after the workeing class

Regards
DR

You've got to remember his posts are signed D(anything but R now)

 

[Simster]

I'd still say CMD has the honour. Created an unholy mess for country and party and ran away rather than help clear it up - incompetent AND cowardly.

I'd say that is the reason why he features in the top 10, but he was PM for 6 years and I don't think it's entirely fair to assume he was incompetent in all that time.

 

[Igzilla]

That was 2 elections and 3 PMs ago. What is it with Leavers living so far in the past?

You really shouldn't be that surprised. Brexiteers want to drag us back to the 1920's (back when we had an Empire and were grate and all), though in JRM's case, make that 1720's...

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Taking this post at face value, I'm assuming you don't know the reason why:

If Johnson calls an election, protocol is that it would be for around 14th October. However, he'd be within his rights to push it back on a whim, beyond 31st October. Natually that would be totally immoral but Johnson is a proven bullying liar, demonstrated by proroguing parliament. In fact, it is worse than that - if the government insider who was escorted out of number ten at gunpoint hadn't leaked the date he was to prorogue, there would have been no time to allow parliament to choose to take no deal off the table. He's undemocratic and a liar - not fit for office and certainly not to be trusted.

What Corbyn and the other opposition parties can now do is force him to take no deal off the table and delay Brexit. With that out of the way, they will then call a vote of no confidence, which they will win. We can then hopefully expect this whole sorry mess to be concluded - and get Brexit negotiated properly and reasonably, and that means anyone other than this current guise of the Tory party all the while this bullying faction of extremists hold sway.

I wish Brexit could be negotiated properly. Whatever we come up with here, the EU isn't going to move. That's one of the reasons I voted Leave in the first place. I certainly don't trust Labour or anyone else, as I feel their only goal is about remaining now. Let's see.

 

[Triggaaar]

Brexiteers voted against it in big numbers. It is the oppositions JOB to oppose. Clues in the name.

therein lies much the problem of politics in this country, opposition for sake of it, even if policy is roughly the same.

I don't believe it's really the oppositions job to oppose everything the government propose, at the detriment of the country. Surely their job is to challenge the government, make sure they don't do anything stupid (like now), and hold them to account.

If they just always oppose everything, we'll never pass any legislation when there's a small majority.

 

[Chicken Run]

Taking this post at face value, I'm assuming you don't know the reason why:

If Johnson calls an election, protocol is that it would be for around 14th October. However, he'd be within his rights to push it back on a whim, beyond 31st October. Natually that would be totally immoral but Johnson is a proven bullying liar, demonstrated by proroguing parliament. In fact, it is worse than that - if the government insider who was escorted out of number ten at gunpoint hadn't leaked the date he was to prorogue, there would have been no time to allow parliament to choose to take no deal off the table. He's undemocratic and a liar - not fit for office and certainly not to be trusted.

What Corbyn and the other opposition parties can now do is force him to take no deal off the table and delay Brexit. With that out of the way, they will then call a vote of no confidence, which they will win. We can then hopefully expect this whole sorry mess to be concluded - and get Brexit negotiated properly and reasonably, and that means anyone other than this current guise of the Tory party all the while this bullying faction of extremists hold sway.

Ok reasonably explained, I think we can agree “this whole sorry mess” is a cluster**** of immense proportions, regretfully I don’t share your enthusiasm for a concluded Brexit being negotiated properly anymore than the current baton holders have done thus far and fear the damage Cameron has done by offering such a referendum in the first place will take generations to heal.

 

[Weststander]

Tories will probably lose most or all of their 13 Scottish seats to SNP/LD, and a few of their 8 in Wales are probable to Lab/LD.

If the Brexit party field candidates that could cut the Tories vote share and might let in a few more English Lab/LD MPs.

If the opposition don't grant an election until after the 31st, allowing time for rebel Tory and former Tory MPs to go on TV/radio and talk down the Government, Corbyn being fairly good on the campain trail (although he may be so well known by now that this is negligible), Boris Johnson & Co looking very weak from many angles (lying about prorogument, losing the first vote, expelling longstanding MPs, rumours of ignoring the law, Cummings' role being criticised from inside and outside the party, etc) and the recent LD resurgence, one could predict the GE as being a very risky move for the Government.

Lots of wishful thinking there.

In this Remain bubble of Brighton, Hove and its environ, we always forget that huge swathes of England and Wales are very anti immigration and the EU.

The Brexit people in those parts are often interviewed on TV or the radio (many yesterday for example). I assume that NSC Remainers turn the volume down until the interviews are over?

There's so much up in the air, who knows what will happen.

 

[Trufflehound]

I agree there's still a long way to go, but the EU won't force us out.

If we go 'no deal' and blow our brains out economically they, as our nearest neighbours, will have one hell of a dry cleaning bill. I'm afraid they are not stupid (which is where the leave plan all started to come apart )

The 'view from the EU' as published in yesterday's NRC, the thinking Dutch person's rag of choice.