ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
I bet the likes of Farage etc, who claim that as Brexiteers they're true 'patriots', will try and make hay from this too.
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I bet the likes of Farage etc, who claim that as Brexiteers they're true 'patriots', will try and make hay from this too.
The monarchy are unaccountable and above the law and always have been. Prince Andrew would have been slung in prison years ago if he was anyone else. He's sold buildings that weren't his to sell FFS. I guarantee this story will now quietly disappear as there will have been a deal between the government and the royals that buries any evidence in return for sanctioning this democratic outrage, I promise you.
Raleigh Chopper
New member
So it's gone from the half wits saying that not leaving is undemocratic, a democratic 2nd vote is undemocratic and wasting time democratically in Parliament is undemocratic, to closing down the cradle of democracy so that democratically MPs can't debate and vote.
And the pond life are now saying this is a good thing.
There is no start to their intelligence and no end to their total ignorance.
And the pond life are now saying this is a good thing.
There is no start to their intelligence and no end to their total ignorance.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
So now HM gets the blame when she is politically impartial, and only does what her government asks her to do.
The Speaker is to blame for trying to stop No Deal so poor old Johnson has no choice but to suspend Parliament.
Labour is to blame for sitting on the fence.
Everyone is to blame bar the Tories!
The Speaker is to blame for trying to stop No Deal so poor old Johnson has no choice but to suspend Parliament.
Labour is to blame for sitting on the fence.
Everyone is to blame bar the Tories!
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Labour did not sit on the fence. They voted down May's deal, which has left us with this No Deal scenario. Hardly 'on the fence'.
As for that vertically challenged Berk.....well.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
They abstained when Joanna Cherry's bill was put before Parliament. That would have stopped No Deal.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
So that's twice they've nudged us toward No Deal then.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-28...n-is-marginalising-them-writes-robert-peston/
MPs have themselves to blame for how Boris Johnson is marginalising them, writes Robert Peston
ROBERT PESTON PESTON'S POLITICS
PA
Boris Johnson has set out plans to prorogue parliament from next month. Credit: PA
Boris Johnson is being widely accused of subverting the British version of democracy with his plan to suspend or prorogue parliament for an four weeks - unprecedented in modern times.
His apparent aim is to make it much harder for MPs to take control of the process of when and whether the UK leaves the EU.
But in behaving more like a Trumpian president than a British prime minister, he is simply following the logic of the massive constitutional changes that the 2010 and 2015 parliaments perhaps recklessly and thoughtlessly pushed through, at the urging of the then prime minister David Cameron, namely the Fixed Term Parliament Act and the referendum on whether to leave the EU.
Johnson himself is clear he is only following through on what parliament set in train - his consistent justification for his actions is he is determined to put into force the votes of more than 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016.
Francois: ERG will reject Johnson's backstop-less Brexit deal
PA
Some MPs have joined together to back a plan to stop a forced no-deal. Credit: PA
He sets himself up as the voice of a country that expects MPs to "do the right thing and honour the pledge they made to the people [to Brexit]".
As the leader of the Vote Leave campaign that triumphed in the referendum, he is in a sense arguing he has a personal and direct mandate for Brexit.
He is equating the 2016 referendum with a presidential election.
And for the avoidance of doubt, it is not as outrageous as some argue that he is doing this.
Court motion filed by MPs and peers in bid to prevent suspension of Parliament
What was always outrageous, a constitutional horror, was that Cameron should have so recklessly grafted on to the UK's parliamentary traditions the idea that on the biggest and most complicated decisions - whether we stay or leave the EU, what's the fairest system for electing MPs, whether Scotland should be an independent nation - direct democracy trumps centuries of parliamentary democracy.
If MPs now regret that Johnson is claiming a direct mandate from the people, and their role as our representatives has been degraded, they only have themselves to blame.
PA
Mr Johnson has said the UK is leaving the EU at the end of October. Credit: PA
Johnson's ability to act more like a president than simply the servant of parliament has also been reinforced by Cameron's Fixed Term Parliament Act, which makes it so hard for MPs to throw him out.
As Johnson's close advisers tell me, even if he were to lose a vote of no confidence he would simply refuse to budge from Downing Street.
If MPs could somehow demonstrate to Her Majesty that an overwhelming majority of them had confidence in some other MP to lead a temporary government of national unity, maybe they could send the bailiffs in and evict him.
But right now the prospect of MPs being able to coalesce around such a putative father or mother of the nation seems remote.
Key dates in the countdown to Britain leaving the EU
PA
Anti-Brexit campaigners outside the Houses of Parliament in London. Credit: PA
Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, that means Johnson would simply use the vote of no confidence as an instruction for him to call a general election at a time of his own choosing - and his aides tell me he would set the polling date just a day or so after Brexit day on 31 October, such that the very act of calling a general election would see the UK out of the EU, without a deal, by default.
MPs can rail, predictably and with some justification, that Johnson would be acting like some tinpot demagogue.
But it was they who carelessly recalibrated the checks and balances of constitutional law and convention; they created him.
Boris Johnson allows MPs just days to block no-deal Brexit, Peston writes
PA
Pro-Brexit campaigners in Westminster, central London. Credit: PA
In other words, a Brexit that was sold to all of us - by Johnson and his allies at Vote Leave - as restoring the lustre of parliament looks instead to be part of a constitutional revolution that is permanently shifting the balance of power away from the Commons and Lords and towards 10 Downing Street.
This agonising and bloody battle by MPs to force Johnson to take a no-deal Brexit off the table is also a battle to salvage the authority of parliament: it is, paradoxically, a battle over how we govern ourselves, in or out of the EU.
Queen approves request to suspend Parliament just weeks before Brexit deadline
And if you doubt me, I point you towards the most important statement made to me in recent weeks by one of Johnson's closes allies: "My sense is that we will navigate the stormy waters better than the Remainers and somehow prevail in the mayhem, partly because we're used to navigating mayhem and because we're not incentivised in conventional ways.".
MPs are still playing by the old rules - almost as if they hadn't noticed that it was those same MPs who changed all the rules. They are reaping precisely what they sowed, namely their own possible irrelevance.
Last updated Wed 28 Aug 2019
MPs have themselves to blame for how Boris Johnson is marginalising them, writes Robert Peston
ROBERT PESTON PESTON'S POLITICS
PA
Boris Johnson has set out plans to prorogue parliament from next month. Credit: PA
Boris Johnson is being widely accused of subverting the British version of democracy with his plan to suspend or prorogue parliament for an four weeks - unprecedented in modern times.
His apparent aim is to make it much harder for MPs to take control of the process of when and whether the UK leaves the EU.
But in behaving more like a Trumpian president than a British prime minister, he is simply following the logic of the massive constitutional changes that the 2010 and 2015 parliaments perhaps recklessly and thoughtlessly pushed through, at the urging of the then prime minister David Cameron, namely the Fixed Term Parliament Act and the referendum on whether to leave the EU.
Johnson himself is clear he is only following through on what parliament set in train - his consistent justification for his actions is he is determined to put into force the votes of more than 17 million people who voted for Brexit in 2016.
Francois: ERG will reject Johnson's backstop-less Brexit deal
PA
Some MPs have joined together to back a plan to stop a forced no-deal. Credit: PA
He sets himself up as the voice of a country that expects MPs to "do the right thing and honour the pledge they made to the people [to Brexit]".
As the leader of the Vote Leave campaign that triumphed in the referendum, he is in a sense arguing he has a personal and direct mandate for Brexit.
He is equating the 2016 referendum with a presidential election.
And for the avoidance of doubt, it is not as outrageous as some argue that he is doing this.
Court motion filed by MPs and peers in bid to prevent suspension of Parliament
What was always outrageous, a constitutional horror, was that Cameron should have so recklessly grafted on to the UK's parliamentary traditions the idea that on the biggest and most complicated decisions - whether we stay or leave the EU, what's the fairest system for electing MPs, whether Scotland should be an independent nation - direct democracy trumps centuries of parliamentary democracy.
If MPs now regret that Johnson is claiming a direct mandate from the people, and their role as our representatives has been degraded, they only have themselves to blame.
PA
Mr Johnson has said the UK is leaving the EU at the end of October. Credit: PA
Johnson's ability to act more like a president than simply the servant of parliament has also been reinforced by Cameron's Fixed Term Parliament Act, which makes it so hard for MPs to throw him out.
As Johnson's close advisers tell me, even if he were to lose a vote of no confidence he would simply refuse to budge from Downing Street.
If MPs could somehow demonstrate to Her Majesty that an overwhelming majority of them had confidence in some other MP to lead a temporary government of national unity, maybe they could send the bailiffs in and evict him.
But right now the prospect of MPs being able to coalesce around such a putative father or mother of the nation seems remote.
Key dates in the countdown to Britain leaving the EU
PA
Anti-Brexit campaigners outside the Houses of Parliament in London. Credit: PA
Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act, that means Johnson would simply use the vote of no confidence as an instruction for him to call a general election at a time of his own choosing - and his aides tell me he would set the polling date just a day or so after Brexit day on 31 October, such that the very act of calling a general election would see the UK out of the EU, without a deal, by default.
MPs can rail, predictably and with some justification, that Johnson would be acting like some tinpot demagogue.
But it was they who carelessly recalibrated the checks and balances of constitutional law and convention; they created him.
Boris Johnson allows MPs just days to block no-deal Brexit, Peston writes
PA
Pro-Brexit campaigners in Westminster, central London. Credit: PA
In other words, a Brexit that was sold to all of us - by Johnson and his allies at Vote Leave - as restoring the lustre of parliament looks instead to be part of a constitutional revolution that is permanently shifting the balance of power away from the Commons and Lords and towards 10 Downing Street.
This agonising and bloody battle by MPs to force Johnson to take a no-deal Brexit off the table is also a battle to salvage the authority of parliament: it is, paradoxically, a battle over how we govern ourselves, in or out of the EU.
Queen approves request to suspend Parliament just weeks before Brexit deadline
And if you doubt me, I point you towards the most important statement made to me in recent weeks by one of Johnson's closes allies: "My sense is that we will navigate the stormy waters better than the Remainers and somehow prevail in the mayhem, partly because we're used to navigating mayhem and because we're not incentivised in conventional ways.".
MPs are still playing by the old rules - almost as if they hadn't noticed that it was those same MPs who changed all the rules. They are reaping precisely what they sowed, namely their own possible irrelevance.
Last updated Wed 28 Aug 2019
Si Gull
Way Down South
Four of the current cabinet were vociferous in their opposition to prorogation.....Wonder what Hancock, et al have got to say now?
You can't be serious Simster, if this is real then its further proof unfortunately that people are losing their minds over the whole Brexit thing, sooner it's done the better.
What a load of flim flam bullshit. Peston can be such a dick.
Again, absolutely crazy paranoid $hit, what has Steve Bannon got to do with anything, never mind winning. Over exaggerating his influence.
theonlymikey
New member
- Apr 21, 2016
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More voters oppose Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue parliament than support it, according to a snap YouGov poll.
The survey found that 47 per cent of people said the move was "not acceptable", while only 27 per cent thought it was "acceptable". 26 per cent said they did not know.
Even Tory voters and Leave supporters were unconvinced, with only 52 per cent and 51 per cent respectively backing the move.
The survey found that 47 per cent of people said the move was "not acceptable", while only 27 per cent thought it was "acceptable". 26 per cent said they did not know.
Even Tory voters and Leave supporters were unconvinced, with only 52 per cent and 51 per cent respectively backing the move.
We'll see won't we. I'll remind you of this when in a month's time everyone has forgotten Prince Andrew and these sex allegations...
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Boris voted against May's deal. As did those in the ERG. Just saying.
Horton's halftime iceberg
Blooming Marvellous
DF signature is the initials of an avatar banned on NSC it glorify's the deeds of a Nazi SS unit, insulting the people that fought and died at the hands of the defeated Nazi regime.
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
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Another one who thinks the limo is worth more than beliefs
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
I agree 100%. But it was in Jezza's own hands to avoid No Deal.