[Politics] Brexit

[Is it PotG?]

I can't speak for all remainers but that isn't really the case for many of us is it? The idea that leave voters have somehow changed their minds in droves stems from the fact that leave hasn't won in ANY independent opinion poll since January 2018.

Sorry for rebuffing your utter nonsense with fact, and please note that this doesn't count as bullying.

Honest question as it was so long ago, weren't STAY in Hotel California ahead in the polls prior to the significant and agreed to implement referendum?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

But May wouldn't be in charge of the chat over future relationships, we would have someone who might well be able to handle such a pow wow.

Which will put off some MPs

Why would you vote for Boris?

 

[Ernest]

So tomorrows vote will be on the WD ONLY, nothing now on future relationship at all. So really a proper blind Brexit, some Brexiteers might like that aspect of it..

From a meaningful vote to a meaningless vote

 

[pb21]

But a clear majority don't want a referendum if remain is an option according to polls while many claim people have changed their minds about staying/leaving by a lesser extent according to polls, so we should have a referendum with remain as an option. The public had a democratic say in the 2016 referendum and the 2017 General Election how many times would you like to ask them before you think their democratic choice should be enacted?

Once.

Personally, on the basis that as agreed we don’t know how many people actually want May’s deal, I don’t think it would be wrong to ask once more specifically about this deal regarding what would be specifically enacted, particularly if that was then explicitly actioned (i.e. the Beckett/Kyle/Wilson amendment).

Yep.

The idea that leave voters have somehow changed their minds in droves, just because of the current shenanigans, is a figment of remainers' imaginations.

Why on earth do some of you think leave voters will suddenly vote to remain in the EU because the Government made such a mess of leaving and because the EU made it difficult? Nothing about our reasons for voting to leave have changed.

The point is we don't know how many people have changed their minds. Equally there may be some who originally voted for remain, but actually quite like May's deal and would now vote for that.

Fine if you want to carry on with that assumption that no one has, or it a negligible amount, you may be right, but you may not.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

The idea that leave voters have somehow changed their minds in droves, just because of the current shenanigans, is a figment of remainers' imaginations..

Any proof of that?

Maybe an opinion poll to back it up?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Once.

Personally, on the basis that as agreed we don’t know how many people actually want May’s deal, I don’t think it would be wrong to ask once more specifically about this deal regarding what would be specifically enacted, particularly if that was then explicitly actioned (i.e. the Beckett/Kyle/Wilson amendment).



The point is we don't know how many people have changed their minds. Equally there may be some who originally voted for remain, but actually quite like May's deal and would now vote for that.

Fine if you want to carry on with that assumption that no one has, or it a negligible amount, you may be right, but you may not.

But Parliament agreed to implement the result, and they have not yet done so. Once they have done the first bit, we can move on to the next.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Which will put off some MPs

Why would you vote for Boris?

As others have said, this Raab bloke seems sensible.

 

[Stuart Munday]

You couldn't make it up.

This afternoon MPs will be debating, and then voting, on whether they can be arsed to turn up for work tomorrow. What's to debate? Even if there is no Brexit business to be done, what about all the other issues they have been ignoring for the past two and a half years.

Bunch of lazy ****ers the lot of them. A plague on all their houses.

Your being unkind, they managed to scrap A&E waiting time targets the other week when there were Brexit votes going on and I think they did something reducing benefits as well, who knows what else has snuck through that we are unaware of.

 

[Triggaaar]

But a clear majority don't want a referendum if remain is an option according to polls

That doesn't sound right. The main reason people want another referendum is to have remain as an option.

The public had a democratic say in the 2016 referendum and the 2017 General Election how many times would you like to ask them before you think their democratic choice should be enacted?

We had our say in 2016, and voted to leave. The GE doesn't really count, as both main parties were promising to carry out the result of the referendum. And both occasions were before we had any idea of what leave would mean - indeed we still don't know. The suggestion is clearly that the public are asked once, when we know what leave would look like.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

As others have said, this Raab bloke seems sensible.

Do you really think so?

 

[Baldseagull]

But a clear majority don't want a referendum if remain is an option according to polls while many claim people have changed their minds about staying/leaving by a lesser extent according to polls, so we should have a referendum with remain as an option. The public had a democratic say in the 2016 referendum and the 2017 General Election how many times would you like to ask them before you think their democratic choice should be enacted?

How many wanted a referendum the last time?

 

[Curious Orange]

Yep.

The idea that leave voters have somehow changed their minds in droves, just because of the current shenanigans, is a figment of remainers' imaginations.

Why on earth do some of you think leave voters will suddenly vote to remain in the EU because the Government made such a mess of leaving and because the EU made it difficult? Nothing about our reasons for voting to leave have changed.

It wouldn't take droves though, only about 635k people would need to change their minds, assuming all 33,551,983 who voted last time were to vote again. Though the demographic is of course now different as we have three years of people dying to remove from, and three years of 18 year olds to add to, the voting population... and maybe the remain areas (Scotland and Northern Ireland) will actually have a turn out greater than 70% this time around...

Who can be sure of anything.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

As others have said, this Raab bloke seems sensible.

Do you really think so?

Isn't he a bit too '55 Tufton Street' ?

 

[Mellotron]

But a clear majority don't want a referendum if remain is an option according to polls

Where have you seen this? Multiple polls needed to back up your point, because this definitely sounds wrong.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Do you really think so?

Yes.

Show me some tweets to show how poor he is.

 

[Mellotron]

Yep.

The idea that leave voters have somehow changed their minds in droves, just because of the current shenanigans, is a figment of remainers' imaginations.

Why on earth do some of you think leave voters will suddenly vote to remain in the EU because the Government made such a mess of leaving and because the EU made it difficult? Nothing about our reasons for voting to leave have changed.

Even if NO ONE has changed their mind, by demographic shift alone Remain would win pretty comfortably now.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Any proof of that?

Maybe an opinion poll to back it up?

You mean this sort of thing?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ed-minds-brexit-remain-would-win-second-vote/

It's been done by EXPERTS though and we don't care what they THINK any more.

The point is that it doesn't matter if people haven't changed their minds. Remain would still be likely to win.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It wouldn't take droves though, only about 635k people would need to change their minds, assuming all 33,551,983 who voted last time were to vote again. Though the demographic is of course now different as we have three years of people dying to remove from, and three years of 18 year olds to add to, the voting population... and maybe the remain areas (Scotland and Northern Ireland) will actually have a turn out greater than 70% this time around...

Who can be sure of anything.

Not forgetting the postal votes that were sent out late.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Even if NO ONE has changed their mind, by demographic shift alone Remain would win pretty comfortably now.

So on future votes by Parliament, if some factions don't fancy it shall we fanny about and sabotage until the mood might have changed and have another bash each time?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes.

Show me some tweets to show how poor he is.

No, I don't want you to start whinging again, although funnily enough other tweets were linked this morning that you weren't bothered about. Please be consistent.
There's plenty out there especially by James O'Brien, and you can find them for yourself.