[Politics] Brexit

[PILTDOWN MAN]

referenda should be used to gain an understanding of public opinion not to determine policy.

That can't ever happen.

If parliament has voted to give the people a vote, they should act upon it. That is the will of the people. If it was only to gauge opinion, it would have such a poor turn out as to render it useless. A mass opinion poll, no thanks.

 

[birthofanorange]

So if remain won you would respect the calling for a re-run by the leavers?

I voted remain but do respect the majority who bothered to vote did so to leave the EU

Yes, I honestly would. Especially given the nigh on 3 years people have had to reconsider.
And I would have the courage of my convictions that I would 'win' again. At least, I would hope so, but wouldn't run away from the likelihood I would lose.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Are you deliberately obtuse or just on a wind-up? My point (and quite clear it was) is that why would we give up what we already have, yet want to rejoin with far less than we already have?

I don't know you at all, but I do worry about you.

He is on a wind up. Best to stay clear. I usually do. Most people do.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I ask myself why Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg et al are so keen to leave. Has it anything to do with impending Tax rules coming in within the EU for more transparency and exposing tax havens like the Cayman Islands?
Surely just a coincidence.

Johnson was in the belief of becoming leader.
Rees-Mogg was for power and oh....of becoming leader
Farage was because his an idiot.

 

[exKT17]

Peoples' vote march today in London town

AIF - but I can't see another thread.

Were any other NSCers on the march today?

I fear it won't make a world of difference but it was a humungous turnout and I well believe the 1m figure.

Good people.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It was brilliant. Uplifting and positive, incomprehensible in its size.

We will win.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Yeah the only 'people' who count evidently.

 

[birthofanorange]

Yeah the only 'people' who count evidently.

I take it you went on the counter-march, to show solidarity?

 

[clapham_gull]

I was there to observe. I say that sincerely because I've been up there for all sorts, countryside alliance, anti capitalist etc..

Today was the biggest congregation of "ordinary" people I've experienced. In fact I could have been at a leave march.

The country is split down the middle in a way that transcends class and political allegiance.

So much so that people have had to invent a new way to describe each each other.. leavers and remainers.

Cameron you utter utter ****wit.

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[Green Cross Code Man]

I take it you went on the counter-march, to show solidarity?

Haha, better things to do than that!

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Yes, I honestly would. Especially given the nigh on 3 years people have had to reconsider.
And I would have the courage of my convictions that I would 'win' again. At least, I would hope so, but wouldn't run away from the likelihood I would lose.

I find that interesting, firstly I think you'd be in a very little minority of people and secondly, I'd would have been working damned hard to change the EU to something that's more in line with the majority. The EU is currently a busted flush. It needs changing the real answer is do you do it from the inside or watch it evolve from the sidelines?

The majority of people, I believe, want to see tangible benefits of being in the EU and have been exasperated by the way it has been operating for years. The frenzy whipped up about immigration and alike detracted from the real issues.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

We had a general election in 2017 over 80% of the public voted for parties promising to enact the referendum ... how many goes do you want?

In 2010 way over 90 per cent of voters supported pro-EU parties. Do you feel this reflected the views of the public towards EU membership?

 

[clapham_gull]

Definitely the figures reported. An astonishing amount of people in central London. Managed to escape to the South Bank eventually which was equally packed from people leaving. Waterloo station was like rush hour on a Friday as was Clapham Junction.

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[Weststander]

I was there to observe. I say that sincerely because I've been up there for all sorts, countryside alliance, anti capitalist etc..

Today was the biggest congregation of "ordinary" people I've experienced. In fact I could have been at a leave march.

The country is split down the middle in a way that transcends class and political allegiance.

So much so that people have had to invent a new way to describe each each other.. leavers and remainers.

Cameron you utter utter ****wit.

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Digressing and it was a while back, what were your observations and opinions on:

1. The Countryside Alliance protestors?

2. The anti Capitalist protestors?

(Not loaded questions, just interested as you saw them).

 

[birthofanorange]

I find that interesting, firstly I think you'd be in a very little minority of people and secondly, I'd would have been working damned hard to change the EU to something that's more in line with the majority. The EU is currently a busted flush. It needs changing the real answer is do you do it from the inside or watch it evolve from the sidelines?

The majority of people, I believe, want to see tangible benefits of being in the EU and have been exasperated by the way it has been operating for years. The frenzy whipped up about immigration and alike detracted from the real issues.

Yes, I can agree that people (not including myself) are unhappy with the way things are, so trying to change things from within is the way forward, not running away like children.
As for immigration, it may well have detracted from what you call the 'real issues' but I also believe that is at the heart of a lot of the ill-feeling.

And what tangible evidence do people want, exactly? I think it will only become evident that it's there, once it's gone.

 

[clapham_gull]

I ask myself why Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg et al are so keen to leave. Has it anything to do with impending Tax rules coming in within the EU for more transparency and exposing tax havens like the Cayman Islands?
Surely just a coincidence.

It's not really about the EU.

It's about zero regulation and turning the UK into a tax haven.

It's just their religion. They would be campaigning on those grounds against a UK government even if we outside the EU.

Rees Mogg very rarely mentions business or immigration. It's all about the individual, he is an extreme neo liberal.

He is actually quite out there for a brexiteer. I struggle to define him as right wing, since he wants the ISIS bride to come home to face justice.

Unfortunately he has managed to con many people to his "intelligence" by tweeting in Latin.

He is essentially a moron's idea of what a clever person looks like




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[pastafarian]

He is on a wind up. Best to stay clear. I usually do. Most people do.

Just having fun exposing the lies, bullshit, hypocricy and misrepresentations from the undemocratic loony weasels on here.
You can call it wind up if it makes you feel comfortable.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

As for immigration, it may well have detracted from what you call the 'real issues' but I also believe that is at the heart of a lot of the ill-feeling.

Odd how immigration hasn't been mentioned on the news, not that I've seen, in a while.

 

[birthofanorange]

Odd how immigration hasn't been mentioned on the news, not that I've seen, in a while.

Yes, it is, isn't it.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Facist scum.