I agree that it's a joke for her to blame anyone else, as IMO the blame mostly lies with her. It is, however, ok for others to cast the blame wider than just her. She's mostly to blame, but few politicians have helped improve the situation.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
- Start date
You spelt 'arse' wrong too.
pb21
Well-known member
- Apr 23, 2010
- 6,689
So over four million minus a few thousand equals, eh over four million.
Why don't you stick to one account for one topic/thread and another for another? Skating on thin ice surely?
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
Deal
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
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Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
A People's vote is the only solution to the actual crapshoot that is Brexit. I mean, we all know this has been a terrible mistake and we need to reverse it, but that can't be done without a second referendum. What happens next will be another shitstorm and more upheaval, but we have to get through this point first....
... essentially though the leavers will eventually vote for May's deal, I don't really foresee any other conclusion to this with the current parliament
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
- 2,190
It doesn't really matter that the petition can be manipulated.
It's a petition. The point of petitions is to raise awareness and generate a debate. It's done that.
However it does matter when votes and/or voting systems can be manipulated either directly or indirectly.
TBH I don't care anymore.
I'm not interested in pointless arguments where the opposing argument is a bunch of debunked crap or some jingoistic nonsense or conspiracy theories or a limited understanding of how representative democracy works.
I want article 50 revoked, not because I think the EU is particularly awesome, but because Brexit is a crock of shit be it no deal or the current negotiated abomination.
There's so much ****ed up shit happening in our country right now that has been ignored due to this BS and if we leave the EU, we still won't be able to address it because of the cost of leaving.
It's a petition. The point of petitions is to raise awareness and generate a debate. It's done that.
However it does matter when votes and/or voting systems can be manipulated either directly or indirectly.
TBH I don't care anymore.
I'm not interested in pointless arguments where the opposing argument is a bunch of debunked crap or some jingoistic nonsense or conspiracy theories or a limited understanding of how representative democracy works.
I want article 50 revoked, not because I think the EU is particularly awesome, but because Brexit is a crock of shit be it no deal or the current negotiated abomination.
There's so much ****ed up shit happening in our country right now that has been ignored due to this BS and if we leave the EU, we still won't be able to address it because of the cost of leaving.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
I bet he had fun setting up the distinct 33,000 different email addresses, and clicking the confirmation links in the 33,000 emails he received.https://twitter.com/sapere_vivere/status/1109017814537564160?s=21
https://twitter.com/sapere_vivere/status/1109017814537564160?s=21
By legal default, on our way.
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Still, each to their own, I guess.
Taybha
Whalewhine
I know it's a bit late for the remainers but .
WHAT DO WE WANT
WE DON'T KNOW
WHEN DO WE WANT IT
WHENEVER'S CONVENIENT PLEASE
WHAT DO WE WANT
WE DON'T KNOW
WHEN DO WE WANT IT
WHENEVER'S CONVENIENT PLEASE
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Do you know that power stations feed into a grid? Since 2007 it is one grid for the whole island
melias shoes
Well-known member
- Oct 14, 2010
- 4,830
I'll be there
True - we did have a vote three years ago. The point of the "People's Vote" is that, now we know the deal on offer, we should be able to vote on SPECIFICS. To be objective about this, the reason we are in such a mess is that no-one really knew what Brexit meant in 2016. We now have a much clearer idea, and it seems only right to put the specific deal to the people. And if we vote for that deal, then Remainers (like me) should absolutely accept the result. My suspicion is that the real objections to a Peoples Vote come from those who realise Theresa May's deal is crap, and that a second referendum will expose that fact. According to the polls, only around a third of people support the PM's deal. Not a great mandate to force it on the country, is it?
Theresa May's deal is crap but the only vote should be leave or Remain. Seeing as we've already had that then we don't need another vote.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Jo Cox.
Anna Soubry cannot spend the weekend in her own home, this weekend due to death threats the police are taking seriously.
Mo Gosfield
Well-known member
- Aug 11, 2010
- 6,362
They don't make a blind bit of difference.
The only way that the ' powers to be ' will take any notice is if the people take action and hit them where it hurts. The trouble is in this country people are too meek and passive and terrified to step out of line. Keep your head down and conform. The French are more aggressive and regularly blockade. Drastic I know but it does make the authorities sit up and take notice.
If 100 people withheld their Council Tax, those people have a problem. Same if 1000 people do it. If 1,000,000 people did it, then the authorities have a massive problem. They couldn't send them all to prison and the cost of chasing that money would be astronomical. I know some will argue about cutting your nose off to spite your face i.e jeopardising local services but it would certainly make them sit up and take notice. Will all know it will never happen as it simply wouldn't garner enough support but you have to take extreme measures if you want to change anything.
Most of these marches are at weekends. If these people are so passionate, why don't they all take time off work and create economic mayhem in London, as opposed to when the capital is quiet. If a march brought London to a standstill, midweek, it would have far more publicity.
Just my opinion given in all honesty & trying to be level headed ......
The only future second vote that makes sense is a simple 2 choice vote ..... Remain or Leave with No Deal ....
asking if this deal or that deal would be acceptable will just divide opinion and votes and wont achieve anything .... it needs to be clean or not at all and work out any future arrangements after the event
The only future second vote that makes sense is a simple 2 choice vote ..... Remain or Leave with No Deal ....
asking if this deal or that deal would be acceptable will just divide opinion and votes and wont achieve anything .... it needs to be clean or not at all and work out any future arrangements after the event
Sky News reporting that they have heard the Government is considering a 7 option vote for MPS, including a People’s vote , customs union, or revoking article 50.
Seems the petition may be working.
Seems the petition may be working.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The tweet is of course a misleading summary of the pay-walled article.
Classic dis-information tactic - rely on most people not getting through the wall.
That's the classic British way. I've come around to the idea of there being a second referendum as I said earlier, but will I be getting up in the morning and travelling to London to voice my views? No, that's for other people to do.
I don't see how that would be fair - Remain would win that with a landslide. I don't think most Leavers really want a No Deal, or at least a large proportion of them don't, anyway.
Aha, a "Choose your own adventure" Brexit. That's a new one.
As I said just my opinion .... not based on anything in particular apart from the MP's reflect the populous in that nothing has a clear majority and asking the people if they want Deal A or Deal B wont achieve anything just like parliament ...
in the end its going to be No Deal or Remain anyway but thats just my opinion from my observations