[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

Well what do you think we should do about the USA, New Zealand and Brazil turning down our WTO submission based on the EU quotas within the first week?

Or

Are you a moron?

(I've tried to make it as easy as I can for you with an either/or question)

I don't think you need to answer.

It’s probably superfluous given the conversation to date

 

[daveinplzen]

He is an idiot. They wonder why leavers are considered thick as well, when there are Brexit 'champions' like him

 

[The Clamp]

More from Project Truth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45693341

 

[daveinplzen]

More from Project Truth

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45693341

Out means out apparently, forget business worries from our industries

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Out means out apparently, forget business worries from our industries

I think Boris used a different word to 'forget'.

 

[brighton bluenose]

I've gone from definitely IN to most likely IN. Unless OUT come up with a convincing argument (and for me they haven't yet), then I'm IN.

Blimey - after all that has gone on why o earth would anyone move from DEFINITELY in to MOST LIKELY in?!!
I want to Leave but your own thought process is that of a 5-year old!!

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[Mental Lental]

Well what do you think we should do about the USA, New Zealand and Brazil turning down our WTO submission based on the EU quotas within the first week?

I must admit I'm very encouraged by the noises coming from prominent members of the WTO. For ages we've been told by deluded leavers that no deal and WTO rules is the way forward. Lo and behold it appears that even that outcome is fraught with consequences. The fact that leavers on here and more unbelievably those actual idiots in power arrogantly thought that the WTO would just accept The UK instantly trading via the WTO under the same rules that were negotiated while it was an EU member defies belief. A UK that casts itself adrift from the biggest trading bloc in the world suddenly becomes a weak, desperate and vulnerable UK with it's back to the wall and other countries will seek to take advantage of that. Trump must be eyeing little Britain up with greedy dollar signs in his eyes. Planning on exactly how he's going to bend Britain over for a trade based arse reaming the likes of which it has never experienced before.

I think that this whole sorry idea will eventually get defeated by global economics. It will come to a point soon when Westminster realises that The UK has not only worked itself into a corner whereby it has no trade deal with the EU, but also will have to bow to demands from prominent WTO members seeking to "renegotiate" the arrangements that were made as EU members.

Let's see what parliament thinks about crashing out of the EU with no deal when they realise that the WTO safety net has been pulled out from under them as well.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Another opportunity for Brexiteers to denounce fake news produced by hat terrible 'triple E' - experts/elite/establishment...…………...


The CER* thinktank’s model on the costs of Brexit examined its impact up until the end of June. It said the findings were a central estimate that contained a margin of error. Researchers created a model of how Britain’s economy would have performed had Remain won in June 2016. An earlier estimate in the summer suggested that Britain’s economy was 2.1% smaller than it would have been by the end of the first quarter of 2018. As it has developed its model and updated it for the second quarter of 2018, the gap has grown.
The model also suggests that had Britain not voted to leave, the deficit would be down to just 0.1% of GDP, or £2bn. It would mean the austerity drive in place since 2010 would be all but complete.

*Centre for European Reform

Confession: I trust this research a bit more than Boris standing up draped in a union flag and making it up as he goes along in front of an adoring party conference.

 

[Stat Brother]

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Pot and kettle sunshine. Now, where did I SAY I wanted to get rid of foreign workers? I wasn't whining,more stating from experience.Being at the coal face and all that. Now stop squirming and twisting and tell me where did I SAY I wanted rid of foreign workers?

Apologies for jumping on this discussion....ypu once told me that if I worked in your industry, I’d understand why you voted to leave. I don’t recall you ever giving me an explanation, can you enlighten me?

 

[brighton bluenose]

Another opportunity for Brexiteers to denounce fake news produced by hat terrible 'triple E' - experts/elite/establishment...…………...


The CER* thinktank’s model on the costs of Brexit examined its impact up until the end of June. It said the findings were a central estimate that contained a margin of error. Researchers created a model of how Britain’s economy would have performed had Remain won in June 2016. An earlier estimate in the summer suggested that Britain’s economy was 2.1% smaller than it would have been by the end of the first quarter of 2018. As it has developed its model and updated it for the second quarter of 2018, the gap has grown.
The model also suggests that had Britain not voted to leave, the deficit would be down to just 0.1% of GDP, or £2bn. It would mean the austerity drive in place since 2010 would be all but complete.

*Centre for European Reform

Confession: I trust this research a bit more than Boris standing up draped in a union flag and making it up as he goes along in front of an adoring party conference.

Have you read the report critically and understood all it says - or have you merely cut and pasted the CER blurb?!
Be honest!

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Have you read the report critically and understood all it says - or have you merely cut and pasted the CER blurb?!
Be honest!

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Maybe ask him if he’s read the executive summary, the poster doesn’t necessarily need to read the whole thing.

 

[melias shoes]

Apologies for jumping on this discussion....ypu once told me that if I worked in your industry, I’d understand why you voted to leave. I don’t recall you ever giving me an explanation, can you enlighten me?

Morning HT. Now you know I work in the construction industry. Now far from wanting to get rid of foreign workers which Watford zero is trying to imply,I merely want people that are actually qualified to do the job. What it doesn't need is people that claim to be qualified tradesmen whom clearly aren't. Now don't get me wrong there are some good workers that have come here to work and I am good friends with many of them. However as I have said there are far too many that really don't know what they are doing. Now I don't blame them for doing this Afterall they're trying to improve their lot. At the same time if they are not really qualified for the job then they shouldn't be doing it. I feel the are only they are allowed to is because they are paid at a cheaper rate. This then has had a knock on affect on the wages of the real tradesmen. Not so much these days but it definitely kept our wages down. Which let's face it which is what we work for.

 

[brighton bluenose]

Maybe ask him if he’s read the executive summary, the poster doesn’t necessarily need to read the whole thing.

Although the executive summary will only emphasise the salient points that reflect the CER's agenda.

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[beorhthelm]

Another opportunity for Brexiteers to denounce fake news produced by hat terrible 'triple E' - experts/elite/establishment...…………...


The CER* thinktank’s model on the costs of Brexit examined its impact up until the end of June. It said the findings were a central estimate that contained a margin of error. Researchers created a model of how Britain’s economy would have performed had Remain won in June 2016. An earlier estimate in the summer suggested that Britain’s economy was 2.1% smaller than it would have been by the end of the first quarter of 2018. As it has developed its model and updated it for the second quarter of 2018, the gap has grown.
The model also suggests that had Britain not voted to leave, the deficit would be down to just 0.1% of GDP, or £2bn. It would mean the austerity drive in place since 2010 would be all but complete.

*Centre for European Reform

Confession: I trust this research a bit more than Boris standing up draped in a union flag and making it up as he goes along in front of an adoring party conference.

the deficit reduction is currently ahead of projections from before the vote, so that cant be correct. one can infer their model is full of goldilocks assumptions.

 

[portslade seagull]

Maybe ask him if he’s read the executive summary, the poster doesn’t necessarily need to read the whole thing.

Why not ? He then appeases his blinkered view by only reading what he wants

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I must admit I'm very encouraged by the noises coming from prominent members of the WTO. For ages we've been told by deluded leavers that no deal and WTO rules is the way forward. Lo and behold it appears that even that outcome is fraught with consequences. The fact that leavers on here and more unbelievably those actual idiots in power arrogantly thought that the WTO would just accept The UK instantly trading via the WTO under the same rules that were negotiated while it was an EU member defies belief. A UK that casts itself adrift from the biggest trading bloc in the world suddenly becomes a weak, desperate and vulnerable UK with it's back to the wall and other countries will seek to take advantage of that. Trump must be eyeing little Britain up with greedy dollar signs in his eyes. Planning on exactly how he's going to bend Britain over for a trade based arse reaming the likes of which it has never experienced before.

I think that this whole sorry idea will eventually get defeated by global economics. It will come to a point soon when Westminster realises that The UK has not only worked itself into a corner whereby it has no trade deal with the EU, but also will have to bow to demands from prominent WTO members seeking to "renegotiate" the arrangements that were made as EU members.

Let's see what parliament thinks about crashing out of the EU with no deal when they realise that the WTO safety net has been pulled out from under them as well.

This is why Farage and Johnson have been fawning around Trump trying to curry favour, but he will just turn his back on them and suit himself. In the meantime, the Tories are running the health service into the ground ready for the American type insurance companies to jump in to 'save' it.

Japan has said it will trade with us, in return for visas being waved.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Doff your hat, you peasants.



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[Westdene Seagull]

I think the point is that the Equal Pay Act was introduced because we were negotiating to enter the EEC (as it then was). We had to abide by the EEC's equal pay legislation in order to join so Europe was the indirect instigator.

As for monopolies: the EU has been much more aggressive against the likes of Microsoft and Google than the US anti-trust bodies have been.

So we implemented the Equal Pay Act a whole five years before the EEC created their version and we did it because we knew we might join the EEC ? I'm afraid thatbis a very weak claim. If anything we led the way yet the post I was commenting on claimed the EU have led the way on it.

As for monopolies, Microsoft and Google are not monopolies - never have been. But for the sake of this argument let's say they were - they don't appear to be broken up ?

As I said some of the things on that list can be credited to the EU but some are down right distortions of the truth which then brings the whole post into question for its validity.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Morning HT. Now you know I work in the construction industry. Now far from wanting to get rid of foreign workers which Watford zero is trying to imply,I merely want people that are actually qualified to do the job. What it doesn't need is people that claim to be qualified tradesmen whom clearly aren't. Now don't get me wrong there are some good workers that have come here to work and I am good friends with many of them. However as I have said there are far too many that really don't know what they are doing. Now I don't blame them for doing this Afterall they're trying to improve their lot. At the same time if they are not really qualified for the job then they shouldn't be doing it. I feel the are only they are allowed to is because they are paid at a cheaper rate. This then has had a knock on affect on the wages of the real tradesmen. Not so much these days but it definitely kept our wages down. Which let's face it which is what we work for.

So the issue is with unqualified staff, which I can totally understand and which I have expressed concerns about with other sectors. That said, and please excuse my ignorance, but what has your employer choosing to take on such staff got to do with the EU?