[Politics] Brexit

[Deleted member 22389]

Terrible week for scaremongering so far. Reminds me of the lead up to the referendum.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

last time i looked we are negotiating to leave.

Thanks for clarifying this. As it isn't really clear what that bumbling cluster-**** of a government are doing in Brussels. So then, how's it going and what have the hard nosed Brexit negotiators nailed so far?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

How much of that money have we actually paid in to get back

The huge difference is that the EU actually gives it out to needy communities. If you expect a Tory government to do the same then you really are mad.....or in denial.

 

[5ways]

Mr Verhofstad was very clear on this point if we simply decided to change our mind and stay.

"if Britain is changing its mind, it will find an open door. I do not disagree with him but, like in Alice in Wonderland, not all doors are now the same. It will be a brand new door with a new Europe: a Europe without rebates, without complexity, with real power and with unity"

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides.../EN&language=en&query=INTERV&detail=3-018-000

You can kiss goodbye to rebates and opt outs, hello Schengen, hello Euro. Oddly enough you don’t seem to find any mention of Verhofstad saying this from the remoaners on here when they talk about another referendum and overturning the vote.. Maybe because they know it’s the sort of ever closer union the British would reject in even greater numbers.

Not sure that is true. That's if we actually left and asked to rejoin.

 

[5ways]

Terrible week for scaremongering so far. Reminds me of the lead up to the referendum.

what's scaremongering about this?

 

[WATFORD zero]

what's scaremongering about this?

I think one or two are becoming confused (not for the first time) between scaremongering and plain scarey

 

[ManOfSussex]

I knew about this months ago anecdotally from a recruitment consultant covering care home jobs in the Hastings/Bexhill area, but today The Daily Telegraph finally reports on Brexit and it's contribution to the social care disaster in broken Britain -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/18/flight-eu-workers-leaves-care-sector-vacancies/

#wouldhavehappenedanyway

Another story here which is on their front page today about a new financial crisis that might be caused by Brexit (but it's behind a paywall and I'm not giving billionaire Brexit backing Tory tax dodgers like the Barclay brothers more money)

- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-end-year-avoid-firms-fleeing-abroad-causing/

#projectfear
#blametheeu
#letushavourcakeandeatit

 

[nicko31]

The future of the Pension Triple Lock

Inflation soaring, now 3% and looks like pensioners they will get 3%+ rise in 2018. Meanwhile the public sector has yet another year of falling wages against inflation.

They voted for higher inflation. Isn't it time for them to share the burden, can we go on like this?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Who is 'they'? How did they vote for inflation?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Who is 'they'? How did they vote for inflation?

By they I assume it refers to the 52% of the population that voted for Brexit.

How did they do it? As a side effect of voting for Brexit.

Operation Fear has come to pass, it would seem.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

That is a very muddled bit of pseudo-economic myth-making there [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION]

 

[The Clamp]

I see our "government" has allocated £50m to an as yet undisclosed private firm to take on the task of preparing a system to register EU citizens.

A typical vile Tory move. The pigs come snorting around the trough and the Tory's start handing out cash to the already rich and jobs for the boys. Sickening

 

[The Clamp]

Brilliant, another graph.

Tell us what the funding is spent on, and how it makes a tangible difference to the man in the street?

This has been covered in detail. But to indulge you, funding for training and job skills combined with job creation put 70,000 people in the North East back into work in the last 6 years. Figures that the Tory's have claimed as their own success up and down the country. Figures that will fall as soon as we leave and funding is withdrawn. Tip of the iceberg.

In other news thousands of extra border guards are being recruited and Tory's have stated the option to used our armed services to man borders could be used. What does that tell you? It tells me that this whole shambles is about getting rid of foreigners. It seem so to be the sole area regarding Brexit that the Tory's have actually organised. Why? I suspect a cynical attempt to win back support from the right wing Brexiteers who feel the nasty party aren't focussing on a hard enough Brexit.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I voted Remain, so can I accept my triple-locked pension with a clear conscience when the time comes?

 

[ManOfSussex]

I see our "government" has allocated £50m to an as yet undisclosed private firm to take on the task of preparing a system to register EU citizens.

A typical vile Tory move. The pigs come snorting around the trough and the Tory's start handing out cash to the already rich and jobs for the boys. Sickening

They're only going to start registering them by the end of next year too. Roughly 25,000 a day to process by April 2019 then.

 

[ROKERITE]

I see our "government" has allocated £50m to an as yet undisclosed private firm to take on the task of preparing a system to register EU citizens.

A typical vile Tory move. The pigs come snorting around the trough and the Tory's start handing out cash to the already rich and jobs for the boys. Sickening

Oh the irony! A brainwashed EU lover talking about pigs and troughs. The EU is the biggest, most rotten and corrupt trough of them all. Why are so many greedy pigs squealing? Because they won't get to stick their ugly snouts in it. No more jobs for the British old boys in Brussels paid for by the poor taxpayer.

 

[The Clamp]

Oh the irony! A brainwashed EU lover talking about pigs and troughs. The EU is the biggest, most rotten and corrupt trough of them all. Why are so many greedy pigs squealing? Because they won't get to stick their ugly snouts in it. No more jobs for the British old boys in Brussels paid for by the poor taxpayer.

What a bizarre reply. You haven't addressed my point about Tory's, merely ranted about MEP's. As it happens, I agree in part about the MEP's being greedy squealing pigs and I'll cite, say, Nigel Farage as a perfect example.

Greedy they may be but they took our governments money and redistributed it to the most needy areas (that's a fact, do some research. The figures are all easy to find). The Tory government will take your money and give it to themselves. And nobody will realistically be there to stop them.

 

[Two Professors]

Oh,goody.The post a pointless graph or poll has been revived.Here's my offering:



I see unemployment fell 52,000 in August.At this rate we will have negative unemployment by Independence Day,especially with so many leaving!.I see someone was after a definition of scary.How about inflation,in the socialist,oil-rich,paradise that is Venezuela?741%.That scary enough?

 

[The Clamp]

Oh,goody.The post a pointless graph or poll has been revived.Here's my offering:

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I see unemployment fell 52,000 in August.At this rate we will have negative unemployment by Independence Day,especially with so many leaving!.I see someone was after a definition of scary.How about inflation,in the socialist,oil-rich,paradise that is Venezuela?741%.That scary enough?

The charts say a lot. It is your fault that you are unwilling to listen.

 

[ROKERITE]

Astonishing the hate towards old people since Brexit.
The simple truth is they finally got a vote, like the rest of us on what the EU has morphed into, and they like millions of others didnt like what they saw.
Their vote was and still is equal to the vote of everyone else.

I've seen no figures regarding those of us who voted in 1975 and again in 2016. I'd estimate only about 25% of those who voted in '75 were still alive in June '16. Probably barely 20% of those voting last year were alive and eligible to vote in 1975.
It would be interesting to know how many voted the same way in both. I was a "yes" voter in '75, convinced it was the sensible thing to do. It's a long time ago but I remember feeling much the same sort of arrogance so many of the remainers display today. We were lied to then as we are lied to by the remain side again now.
In the last eighteen months or so I've watched a couple of bits of film of people I despised then. People whose politics I would still despise today. Yet, on the subject of The EU I find leading Labour figures of the time making brilliant speeches warning of the terrible dangers posed by The Common Market. Peter Shore, Barbara Castle, even Tony Benn; politicians I loathed, were so visionary and wise on this subject.
I feel rather ashamed of my 21 year old self, but then even Mrs T. was fooled then. 23rd June last year I was able to even the score.