[Politics] Brexit

[Pavilionaire]

I really do not mean this with any disrespect, but I cannot get as excited as perhaps you can talking to a guy 24 years ago who is totally irrelevant to todays position

But it was YOU that asked ME "did you ever expect that pre 2004 that Slovakia, Lithuainia and Slovenia for example would become part of the EU" Hence my answer YES - in 1990!
Like Boris Johnson, you also appear to be forgetting what you've just said.


<For the record, 2016-1990 = 26, correct spelling is Lithuania>

 

[Captain Sensible]

and i cant believe on the three issues i mentioned you still insist remainers and leavers didnt know the consequences of their vote

Sorry Pasta, there never was and has still not been a clear view on what leaving and a leaving deal would look like. Claiming that you did know is one thing (although no one could have known because no one does), claiming that millions of others did is another and false.

 

[beorhthelm]

Oh come on. Leave supporter after Leave supporter was on here saying that the EU would be absolutely GAGGING to do single market membership deals with us after we left.

care to find quotes on that. there may be one but it wasnt a common position? or do you mean leavers said the EU would accomodate some agreement, that industry and commercial interests in EU states would lean on the politicans to work something out when we get to the negotiations?

 

[studio150]

The number ONE issue of Brexit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/18/brexit-is-simulated-in-football-manager-2017-and-its-going-to-ma/

Thanks to everyone who voted leave for this gem

 

[Captain Sensible]

Oh come on. Leave supporter after Leave supporter was on here saying that the EU would be absolutely GAGGING to do single market membership deals with us after we left. Germany and its automakers would be telling every other member what to do. Claims to the contrary were just more examples of Project Fear.

In the week when the ruling party of Walonia has unstitched the EU Canada deal those claims have to go down as yet more misleading nonsense from the Brexit campaign.

Yeah, any leaver on question time over the months was using the rhetoric that the EU would 'have' to trade with us. Chris Grayling saying the 30million German jobs rely on the UK car market', springs to mind. Utter BS

 

[Pavilionaire]

Theresa May can't even make a decision on whether or where we should have a third runway. Doesn't bode that well for future major decisions. Shilly shalling around. Is she up to making tough decisions, or does she just like to sound like she's up to them?

She's a similar age to what Thatcher was, she owns a pearl necklace and her hair's a bit bouffante. Surely that makes up for it?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

care to find quotes on that. there may be one but it wasnt a common position? or do you mean leavers said the EU would accomodate some agreement, that industry and commercial interests in EU states would lean on the politicans to work something out when we get to the negotiations?

I have to go to a football match now but it was a VERY common line on the NSC Brexit threads and elsewhere. Germany would ensure the important UK market was kept open, and vice versa of course.

 

[beorhthelm]

Yeah, any leaver on question time over the months was using the rhetoric that the EU would 'have' to trade with us. Chris Grayling saying the 30million German jobs rely on the UK car market', springs to mind. Utter BS

did he? certainly sounds like bull that he'd say that.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

tell you who was very clear about the consequences of voting Leave - the Remain campaign. they made it perfectly clear you cant just vote to leave and expect nothing to change, the benefits of the single market would go. no one can say the public werent informed on the impact of voting to leave.

Everything from Remain that wasn't sunny good news was dismissed as Project Fear unfortunately. Still happens.

 

[beorhthelm]

I have to go to a football match now but it was a VERY common line on the NSC Brexit threads and elsewhere. Germany would ensure the important UK market was kept open, and vice versa of course.

keeping a market open is not at all the same thing as keeping single market. the general position is we're happy for free trade if they are.

Everything from Remain that wasn't sunny good news was dismissed as Project Fear unfortunately. Still happens.

agree, project fear is still with us unfortunatly.

 

[Captain Sensible]

keeping a market open is not at all the same thing as keeping single market. the general position is we're happy for free trade if they are.



agree, project fear is still with us unfortunatly.

It's still early days but at what point will the Project turn to reality? I would say the reality fear is just starting.

 

[BigGully]

But it was YOU that asked ME "did you ever expect that pre 2004 that Slovakia, Lithuainia and Slovenia for example would become part of the EU" Hence my answer YES - in 1990!
Like Boris Johnson, you also appear to be forgetting what you've just said.


<For the record, 2016-1990 = 26, correct spelling is Lithuania>

Yes, yes I did and I acknowledged it and explained that really it didnt offer much in terms of his relevence, but well done to you for talking to an EU bureaucrat , did you get to meet him because of your exemplary spelling, well done you.

I am guessing his insightfulness didnt run to those other issues that you have chosen to ignore and your bestest oldest friend never contemplated.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Theresa May can't even make a decision on whether or where we should have a third runway. Doesn't bode that well for future major decisions. Shilly shalling around. Is she up to making tough decisions, or does she just like to sound like she's up to them?

Hadn't realised they kicked the vote down the road for a year - that patch of long grass is getting full.

 

[cunning fergus]

Are you saying that everyone who voted LEAVE was crystal clear that meant exiting the Single Market completely, so REMAIN invented a term to describe a group that doesn't exist?

You tinker.......

It was the remainers who made it clear what Brexit would mean, and it was out the single market. The choice was always clear.

http://www.politico.eu/article/davi...eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

Soft Brexit is merely the current position for remain as they still want freedom of movement.

Why remainers are not seeking to reform the EU is beyond me............if we could have reform if the EU, we could have border control and the single market.

There is only one group that is being dogmatic.......

 

[cunning fergus]

Will all this happen before or after Turkey joins the EU?

Well it's currently looking good for disaster by Christmas so hopefully Santa will deliver this present early.

Not guaranteed of course, but it's no long shot either.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/italys-doomsday-scenario

Exciting times eh?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37691270

"Downing Street has said it is "very likely" MPs will be able to vote on the final Brexit agreement reached between the UK and the European Union."

Yet another climb down/u-turn by Theresa May.

 

[The Rivet]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37691270

"Downing Street has said it is "very likely" MPs will be able to vote on the final Brexit agreement reached between the UK and the European Union."

Yet another climb down/u-turn by Theresa May.

Only after any potential treaty change. Anyhow bearing in mind the irreversible article 50 will be in force by then what does the vote mean exactly. Just like the actual brexit 'terms', we don't know yet.

Kick off soon anyhow........so maybe back later. Bye.

 

[vegster]

All of that is incredibly one sided. Unelected prime minister? I am aware that the leader of a party influences the result of an election. However we have NEVER elected a pm. So that's nonsense for a start. The other complaint you have about the 3 stooges as you call them, is simply our government at work, perhaps it's another thing you dislike about democracy, I.e. those in charge carrying out the wishes of the people. As for Europe, what a wonderful institution you describe, you explain all too well how you feel regarding the vindictive nature of the EU and its leaders, I thought we were all friends? It seems that if one of us wishes to go our own way, the rest may well take a dim view and act retributively. That's a great recommendation for the EU isn't it, do as we say or we'll punish you. You also ignore the fact that we won't be saddled by block negotiation for trade deals with countries outside the union.

What do you think of the comments made by Otmar Ossing yesterday? He doesn't paint the bright utopian picture of the EU. In fact no remainers seemed interested in what he had to say. Strange that.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...f-cards-ecb-single-currency-a7364826.html?amp

May was almost a nobody in the Tory party before Brexit, she is the lucky beneficiary of all the backstabbing and jostling that saw her not so much as the best candidate for PM, just the least worst. As for the Three Stooges, Johnson, Davies and Fox, they had been kept well out of government and were very very small cogs in our democracy. Johnson was Minister without Portfolio and only in Cabinet as Cameron preferred him pissing out of the tent rather than in, Davies had been overwhelmingly rejected by Tory MP's when they chose the as then, unknown David Cameron as PM. Fox was shamed out of government for "financial irregularities " and had to resign for the second time.

This is the calibre of Government ministers taking on the unknown responsibilities for negotiating a " Good " deal from a now pissed off Europe... Somehow we are currently the 5th biggest economy in the world and we can't seem to run a passable rail service, our NHS is failing, today in the news was the failure of mental health services ability to intervene and care for people with serious mental health issues. West Schools have a massive shortfall in budgets that will end up with heads having to merge classes and sack teachers as many TA's have already gone. The list of cuts across all forms of services continues apace, we even have to sponsor our roundabouts as Highways Agency/County Councils can't afford to maintain them or cut the grass. Inflation is just starting to rear its head which will lead to a downturn in growth, possibly a recession, and inevitably a wage freeze.... somehow we have to rebuild trade with far away little places competing with serious industrial nations while cutting ourselves off from our nearest trading partners.. And in our corner we have...

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

May was almost a nobody in the Tory party before Brexit, she is the lucky beneficiary of all the backstabbing and jostling that saw her not so much as the best candidate for PM, just the least worst. As for the Three Stooges, Johnson, Davies and Fox, they had been kept well out of government and were very very small cogs in our democracy. Johnson was Minister without Portfolio and only in Cabinet as Cameron preferred him pissing out of the tent rather than in, Davies had been overwhelmingly rejected by Tory MP's when they chose the as then, unknown David Cameron as PM. Fox was shamed out of government for "financial irregularities " and had to resign for the second time.

This is the calibre of Government ministers taking on the unknown responsibilities for negotiating a " Good " deal from a now pissed off Europe... Somehow we are currently the 5th biggest economy in the world and we can't seem to run a passable rail service, our NHS is failing, today in the news was the failure of mental health services ability to intervene and care for people with serious mental health issues. West Schools have a massive shortfall in budgets that will end up with heads having to merge classes and sack teachers as many TA's have already gone. The list of cuts across all forms of services continues apace, we even have to sponsor our roundabouts as Highways Agency/County Councils can't afford to maintain them or cut the grass. Inflation is just starting to rear its head which will lead to a downturn in growth, possibly a recession, and inevitably a wage freeze.... somehow we have to rebuild trade with far away little places competing with serious industrial nations while cutting ourselves off from our nearest trading partners.. And in our corner we have...

When you don't include the EU argument, I agree with much of what you say. I also have very little confidence in our politicians.

 

[The Rivet]

May was almost a nobody in the Tory party before Brexit, she is the lucky beneficiary of all the backstabbing and jostling that saw her not so much as the best candidate for PM, just the least worst. As for the Three Stooges, Johnson, Davies and Fox, they had been kept well out of government and were very very small cogs in our democracy. Johnson was Minister without Portfolio and only in Cabinet as Cameron preferred him pissing out of the tent rather than in, Davies had been overwhelmingly rejected by Tory MP's when they chose the as then, unknown David Cameron as PM. Fox was shamed out of government for "financial irregularities " and had to resign for the second time.

This is the calibre of Government ministers taking on the unknown responsibilities for negotiating a " Good " deal from a now pissed off Europe... Somehow we are currently the 5th biggest economy in the world and we can't seem to run a passable rail service, our NHS is failing, today in the news was the failure of mental health services ability to intervene and care for people with serious mental health issues. West Schools have a massive shortfall in budgets that will end up with heads having to merge classes and sack teachers as many TA's have already gone. The list of cuts across all forms of services continues apace, we even have to sponsor our roundabouts as Highways Agency/County Councils can't afford to maintain them or cut the grass. Inflation is just starting to rear its head which will lead to a downturn in growth, possibly a recession, and inevitably a wage freeze.... somehow we have to rebuild trade with far away little places competing with serious industrial nations while cutting ourselves off from our nearest trading partners.. And in our corner we have...

Your glass half full or empty veggie? You must be very depressed.