[Politics] Brexit

[The Rivet]

It's not legally binding, it is indicative and up to the government to decide whether to apply the result or not.

The government has chosen to apply the result.

As they had to. Good job too.

 

[El Presidente]

As they had to. Good job too.

So therefore when you said the referendum was legally binding you were wrong.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

In all honesty this cannot be used as either a pro or anti EU poll because the undercurrent of this referendum was the political game playing of Orban himself who is attempting to set himself up as some kind of leader of a regional hub involving Poles, Czechs and Slovaks.

Oh, but it will be used as an anti EU argument by Orban and others. If you can't see that, you fail to understand politics. It's all about spin and perception, particularly for a populist like him.

 

[studio150]

I think that was what [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] meant, I can't understand why you can't see that.

Probably because that is not what was written, and we are not mindreaders like yourself, and given the 50% threshold was not reached the result is meaningless in terms of implementing controls.

 

[The Rivet]

The problem with many Brexiteers is that you don't look at the whole picture. UK students can study in many EU countries for very little (in some countries it's free). In doing so they will be significantly subsidised by local tax-payers. The whole point of the EU is that it's a club which aims to provide a better outcome for all. The problem is that on this side of the Channel we just don't seem to be able to cope with that. As a result, we come across as mean-spirited and even xenophobic. I'm fed up with this whole "Europe = Bad, Britain = Good" rhetoric that we keep being fed. We are gradually eroding the goodwill which much of the rest of the world had for us. It's thoroughly, thoroughly depressing.

Enjoy yourself over the next 6mths to a year then. Have fun.

 

[The Rivet]

So therefore when you said the referendum was legally binding you were wrong.

Pedantic rhetoric only cuts it in certain circumstances. I'm not sure this is one of them.

 

[El Presidente]

Pedantic rhetoric only cuts it in certain circumstances. I'm not sure this is one of them.

Nothing pedantic about it.

You stated the referendum was legally binding.

Were you right or wrong?

It's a very simple question.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The problem with many Brexiteers is that you don't look at the whole picture. UK students can study in many EU countries for very little (in some countries it's free). In doing so they will be significantly subsidised by local tax-payers. The whole point of the EU is that it's a club which aims to provide a better outcome for all. The problem is that on this side of the Channel we just don't seem to be able to cope with that. As a result, we come across as mean-spirited and even xenophobic. I'm fed up with this whole "Europe = Bad, Britain = Good" rhetoric that we keep being fed. We are gradually eroding the goodwill which much of the rest of the world had for us. It's thoroughly, thoroughly depressing.

What these students is criminal by not giving their details when returning home. It is no better or worse than UK students who do the same when studying elsewhere in the EU.

Genuine question: so is it free/ very little for U.K. students to study in Europe or are U.K. Students returning without paying fees of the order charged here ?

 

[Soulman]

Aviod the question yet again at least you are consistent

I was answering Man Of Sussex actually, and the retort was tongue in cheek, i would imagine he realised this as although our opinions differ he is switched on.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Probably because that is not what was written, and we are not mindreaders like yourself, and given the 50% threshold was not reached the result is meaningless in terms of implementing controls.

No one needs to be a mind-reader.

We'll see if the result is meaningless or not in the next few months. I suspect it won't just go away. News sources seem divided about its implications, much like Brexit.

Time seems to think it's not meaningless.
http://time.com/4516386/hungary-referendum-european-union-viktor-orban/

 

[Jim in the West]

Genuine question: so is it free/ very little for U.K. students to study in Europe or are U.K. Students returning without paying fees of the order charged here ?

Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Greece...all free for EU residents, as far as I know. Obviously post-Brexit we give up this advantage....Denmark is around EUR 10,000 per year for non-EU students.

 

[The Rivet]

Nothing pedantic about it.

You stated the referendum was legally binding.

Were you right or wrong?

It's a very simple question.

Yes you are right. Good enough for you?
Another thing if democracy were to be subverted.

 

[El Presidente]

Yes you are right. Good enough for you?
Another thing if democracy were to be subverted.

That's a separate debate.

Just checking that you were wrong when you claimed the referendum was legally binding.

 

[Jim in the West]

Enjoy yourself over the next 6mths to a year then. Have fun.

Don't worry - I will enjoy myself...but not as much as I would have done. Fortunately I'm reasonably well off, so won't suffer the negative impact of Brexit that many will do. Also, virtually everyone I know voted Remain, so we can console ourselves together! However, I can't deny that it's tough knowing that readers of the Daily Mail and Daily Express are on the winning side...

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Oh, but it will be used as an anti EU argument by Orban and others. If you can't see that, you fail to understand politics. It's all about spin and perception, particularly for a populist like him.

I understand politics very well and know exactly what Orban is doing as do over 55% of the Hungarian population. Hence the vote was as much about him as it was the EU. What it should not be seen as is solely the latter.

 

[pastafarian]

It's not legally binding, it is indicative and up to the government to decide whether to apply the result or not.

The government has chosen to apply the result.

which is the only thing they can do.
by every measure of sensible democracy the result is "morally" binding.

The option of simply ignoring it would have had disastrous consequences in this country.
My pitchfork is polished and will stay easily accessible in the corner of the shed should it ever be required.

 

[The Rivet]

Don't worry - I will enjoy myself...but not as much as I would have done. Fortunately I'm reasonably well off, so won't suffer the negative impact of Brexit that many will do. Also, virtually everyone I know voted Remain, so we can console ourselves together! However, I can't deny that it's tough knowing that readers of the Daily Mail and Daily Express are on the winning side...

Oh well, Prozac is available at the doctors.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I understand politics very well and know exactly what Orban is doing as do over 55% of the Hungarian population. Hence the vote was as much about him as it was the EU. What it should not be seen as is solely the latter.

I'm glad we can agree.

 

[The Rivet]

which is the only thing they can do.
by every measure of sensible democracy the result is "morally" binding.

The option of simply ignoring it would have had disastrous consequences in this country.
My pitchfork is polished and will stay easily accessible in the corner of the shed should it ever be required.

Likewise, my Nans sharpened knitting needle is at hand..................

 

[El Presidente]

Genuine question: so is it free/ very little for U.K. students to study in Europe or are U.K. Students returning without paying fees of the order charged here ?

Fees vary from country to country but under EU legislation you cannot charge students from other EU countries more than you charge domestic students.

In the UK the rules are however daft. In Wales the fees are £9,000 a year but Welsh students can get a grant of up to £5,100 as a contribution. In Scotland the fees for £1,870 a year for Scottish (and non English) EU students. English students have to pay £9,000 which is discriminatory and unfair, especially as most Scottish degrees take four years to complete compared to three in England.