[Politics] Brexit

[Herr Tubthumper]

we have a strong and big enough economy to see it through.

Strong? How on earth are you measuring this? Any economy propped up on near zero interest rates and QE doesn't strike me as strong.

 

[DataPoint]

Love to trust you but reasoned evidence would be good. Meanwhile, just to get this right, are you saying that in, say, ten years' time we will have trade deals with bigger and more vibrant markets than we would have done had we remained part of the EU? And even if so, why would we be more successful in trading with these markets than we have been in dealing with the EU single market?

Can't you see - there's no vibrant market in the EU? Half the countries are broke! Only fools try to sell their products to customers who have no money. Having said that, I wish all countries of Europe well. I really want all our friends to find the best solution to their difficulties. It will probably mean the creation of the United States of North Europe - Germany and the nine countries that border her - whilst the remainder are freed-up in a looser arrangement that suits their economies. For centuries, Britain has prospered as an independent nation - a world leader - I expect nothing less in the future.

 

[cunning fergus]

But exactly what is factored in? No one yet knows the UK's negotiating position, let alone the outcome. Davis is saying one thing, most MPs think another, Johnson is setting up an intra-cabinet pressure group to fight for a hard Brexit (having previously said he was in favour of a soft one), Arron Banks is planning a Momentum of the Right to keep the Tory Party 'clean', the Chancellor appears to be in favour of remaining in the single market, the Prime Minister seems to agree but thinks she can achieve it with limited controls on immigration, major European politicians say she can't (but maybe they're bluffing), Fox is agreeing that it will be 'very difficult' to conclude EU negotiations within the 2yr time frame and commentators of some influence are saying that it is vital that we do remain in the single market and, who knows, maybe their views will have some sway. Or maybe they won't. Who knows?

I am interested in your absolute certainty that any downturn won't be down to Brexit.

Because in the next couple of months we could see an Italian banking collapse, another Italian PM resign following a referendum and maybe even Trump in the White House.........

These events would trigger downturns unrelated to Brexit no?

 

[Boy Blue]

Juncker also mentioned racist attacks since Brexit even sighting the murder in Essex and quite rightly that is disgusting,bit odd though that we never hear of what is going on in other EU countries from the asaid person.

Maybe he should see the statistics where eastern europen migrants clog up our prison system with thousands of murderous, rapists and violent burglars. We've 17,000 eastern European migrants in our prison syetem and 99% are against British citizens but you'll never see that on Skynews or BBC as it doesn't fit their agenda.

 

[crookie]

Strong? How on earth are you measuring this? Any economy propped up on near zero interest rates and QE doesn't strike me as strong.

I agree. Same for the EU also. In addition we have created this illusion of wealth by celebrating ever rising house prices on the back of zero interest rates and a criminal lack of housebuilding. I am pleased though that the economy hasn't yet tanked as the prophets of doom foretold.

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[cunning fergus]

Juncker also mentioned racist attacks since Brexit even sighting the murder in Essex and quite rightly that is disgusting,bit odd though that we never hear of what is going on in other EU countries from the asaid person.

I thought Essex police were still trying to establish a motive?

Not that we should let facts get in the way of hysterical mass pant damping session..............

 

[The Rivet]

I'll give you remainers a lot of credit for being so persistent with your whining arguments. Impressive but by the same token as ineffectual as the crowd funding for a new referendum and the silly attempt to flood the Albert hall with that dreaded flag. Never mind carry on regardless you amuse me.

 

[melias shoes]

Unfortunately it's not you I have to trust but grubby politicians who could care less about the ordinary guy on the street.

True.

 

[BigGully]

Strong? How on earth are you measuring this? Any economy propped up on near zero interest rates and QE doesn't strike me as strong.

You have a strange relationship with your home country, you sit in the centre of Europe, hardly offer any comment on the basket case economies of the EU and its associated issues including the immigration crisis that grips the continent, whilst casually dismissing UK's 5th position in the worlds economies, there is nothing particularly unique about the UK's interest rates or our policies towards QE nor should it invalidate our standing, you seem to nearly yearn for the UK to fail at almost anything.

 

[melias shoes]

Love to trust you but reasoned evidence would be good. Meanwhile, just to get this right, are you saying that in, say, ten years' time we will have trade deals with bigger and more vibrant markets than we would have done had we remained part of the EU? And even if so, why would we be more successful in trading with these markets than we have been in dealing with the EU single market?

Who knows what is going to happen in 10 years. Nobody does. Leaving the EU will open all sorts of opportunities up for us. The EU has held us back as far as I'm concerned. Any deal we have done has to go through the Eu. Soon as we're out we are open to trade with anyone we like. As for what the next 10 years brings who knows. I know you will be in disagreement because you think the EU is the be all and end all. Unfortunately I don't.

 

[melias shoes]

You have a strange relationship with your home country, you sit in the centre of Europe, hardly offer any comment on the basket case economies of the EU and its associated issues including the immigration crisis that grips the continent, whilst casually dismissing UK's 5th position in the worlds economies, there is nothing particularly unique about the UK's interest rates or our policies towards QE nor should it invalidate our standing, you seem to nearly yearn for the UK to fail at almost anything.

Correct.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

[emoji38]ol: Funniest thing I've heard for ages!They will not have any cash left for decades after bailing out Portugal,Italy,Greece again,and perhaps Spain,without our cash,this time!

That's not actually true. It's hard to believe, but Germany has actually MADE money by lending more to the likes of Greece.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33845836

 

[beorhthelm]

yesturday ECB's Draghi spoke of redistribution of wealth across the Eurozone, today the EU's president Juncker called for a central EU military headquarters and military hardware purchasing. i wonder how many remainers support steps towards a european state?

 

[sir albion]

Strong? How on earth are you measuring this? Any economy propped up on near zero interest rates and QE doesn't strike me as strong.

And there's me thinking we had a big boom recently and everything was great....Not sure what a good economy is these days to be honest as our debts get bigger and the poor get poorer.

 

[Soulman]

WATCH: Today in the EU Parliament, Nigel Farage clashed with the Parliament's newly-appointed chief Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt.

On Verhofstadt's appointment, Nigel had this to say:

"If you were to think of this building as a temple, well Mr Verhofstadt is the high priest - a fanatic.

"In fact, there is only one real nationalist in the room and it's you (Mr Verhofstadt) - because you want flags, anthems, armies, you are an EU nationalist.

"I frankly think that this appointment amounts to pretty much a declaration of war on any sensible negotiating process."

Those who thought Farage was going to quieten down after winning the referendum couldn’t have been more wrong!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Because in the next couple of months we could see an Italian banking collapse, another Italian PM resign following a referendum and maybe even Trump in the White House.........

These events would trigger downturns unrelated to Brexit no?

My grammar was sloppy - what I meant to comment on was the poster's absolute certainty that Brexit will not cause a downturn. The other events that might cause problems are generated outside the country; Brexit is home-grown... as someone else put it, the greatest act of national self-immolation since who knows when.

 

[The Rivet]

My grammar was sloppy - what I meant to comment on was the poster's absolute certainty that Brexit will not cause a downturn. The other events that might cause problems are generated outside the country; Brexit is home-grown... as someone else put it, the greatest act of national self-immolation since who knows when.

Sensationalist BS however you appear to believe that sincerely. Why don't you move to the home of the EU? Crass statement.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You have a strange relationship with your home country, you sit in the centre of Europe, hardly offer any comment on the basket case economies of the EU and its associated issues including the immigration crisis that grips the continent, whilst casually dismissing UK's 5th position in the worlds economies, there is nothing particularly unique about the UK's interest rates or our policies towards QE nor should it invalidate our standing, you seem to nearly yearn for the UK to fail at almost anything.

You have completely avoided my question. You said the U.K. economy was strong. I simply asked by what measurement. Play the ball, not the man.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You have a strange relationship with your home country, you sit in the centre of Europe, hardly offer any comment on the basket case economies of the EU and its associated issues including the immigration crisis that grips the continent,

But if you do want to play the man I suggest you open your eyes and read my many posts on Greece and the Syrian refugee crisis. It's all here in this chat room.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

you seem to nearly yearn for the UK to fail at almost anything.

Just because I think uk politics and education is a total mess and the national team a joke it doesn't mean I "yearn for the uk to fail at almost anything." Again, look beyond these limited topics on this site and you'll see me champion many British things. But, I don't take a default "British is best" attitude like many seem to do. If Britain is good at something then it will have my support, otherwise it won't. Nothing "strange" about that is there?