[Politics] Brexit

[Bold Seagull]

and yet you can speak on behalf of 15 million people who will also have different reasons for voting remain with different back grounds, races and agendas.

Where have I done that, I've just been giving my opinion, and putting questions forward?

 

[Diego Napier]

And we didn't even vote on booting people out.

I think you'll find that for a considerable number of people that was the one and only criterion.

 

[looney]

Where have I done that, I've just been giving my opinion, and putting questions forward?

And ive been using your own arguments against you, it really is that easy.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I think you'll find that for a considerable number of people that was the one and only criterion.

Clearly they couldn't read the ballot paper

 

[The Clamp]

This, unfortunately is what I thought we'd have to out up with. The Nation's right wing contingent gloating, flag waving and not realising the mess they have landed THEMSELVES in. Luckily there are still some intelligent people left in the country who are quietly going to reverse this ridiculous situation before the leavers even know what's happening. Hopefully anyway, the way this country is anything could happen, and indeed has. I've been saying that this country was ripe for the idiots to get the upper hand and they have. For now.

 

[Bold Seagull]

And ive been using your own arguments against you, it really is that easy.

When I used the Bunsen burner analogy in school - it wasn't an invitation to pretend we're at school.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Not at all. I voted Remain purely because I prefer partnerships over isolation.

For me it is the loss of the UK as a union that will really hurt. I am English and am proud to be so but I place a high value on our relationships with our friends and partners - notably with the rest of the UK first and foremost and this result will lead to the break up of the union. I see this as a disaster for England - you of course are free to disagree and I respect your right to hold a different view.


My God.....you haven't lived much.
Politics, since time began, has been dirty, below the belt and founded on lies, half truths and false promises. They have one agenda and one agenda only...to get elected. They will do whatever it takes. In the USA, they buy votes. Why do you think candidates across the pond are always multi millionaires?
There is a lot of panic being shown and I suggest this is generally coming from younger people, who haven't experienced the breadth of change that older people have lived through. Its not their fault, its just a generational thing. Keep calm, take a deep breath and carry on working.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Why has no-one yet claimed that the huge north-south split weather wise on Thursday created an uneven playing field which invalidates the result. It was fine in Hartlepool but lashing down in Lambeth so must have affected turnout.

Seriously though it now seems clear that not enough attention was placed on what the next stages in the process would be in the case of a leave vote and that it initiated a process that may require further public consultation as detail and choices emerge. This isn't a veiled excuse for another referendum as we have to respect that a majority has chosen to set us on a path but there are issues about how the democratic process manages this implementation. The first of these would seem to be the need for a general election so that people are able to elect representatives who are directly accountable on this issue. Some parties may decide to use this election to offer a clear choice on Brexit; if the mood of the currently has significantly changed because of broken promises etc , this result should reflect it. If not, remain supporters like me should just accept it and do what we can to make sure that the country that emerges from this is the one we want. Whatever happens, we have to move on and can't try and turn the clock back and make retrospective changes.

 

[BadFish]

I wouldn't be surprised if article 50 never gets filed. Referendums are not legally binding and I imagine the new leader will just negotiate some better terms to remain and this will all blow over.

I can see them copping out with another referendum and possibly moving the goal posts. It would appear that there are three options open to Boris et al and none of them are particularly palatable. It will be interesting to see which he chooses.

 

[The Clamp]

I can see them copping out with another referendum and possibly moving the goal posts. It would appear that there are three options open to Boris et al and none of them are particularly palatable. It will be interesting to see which he chooses.

Well knowing Boris he'll go ahead with it, blaming the inevitable catastrophe on Cameron. Johnson is the kind of man that 500 years ago would have killed a thousand people by leading a cavalry charge into a volcano. I hate to think where he'll lead this country. It won't be pleasant.

 

[Notters]

Can someone on Facebook do a screen shot or something for us Luddites not on it?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I can see them copping out with another referendum and possibly moving the goal posts. It would appear that there are three options open to Boris et al and none of them are particularly palatable. It will be interesting to see which he chooses.

What are the 3 options? I assume resign is one ?

 

[Diego Napier]

Clearly they couldn't read the ballot paper

It's all to do with interpretation; Remain = foreigners can keep pouring in, Leave = anyone who doesn't look like me can sling their hook.

 

[vegster]

Its been 2 days. Friday and Saturday, in which the Prime Minister has resigned. Its in processes, stop projecting panic and confusion on the wrong people! be a bit Patient.

Once a new PM is appointed article 50 will be in acted then negotiations take place. Like the eU I hope its quick, the danger is uncertainty, doom mongering.

The whole of our government is in turmoil and there will have to be a General Election within months as there is no obvious candidate to unite behind. Johnson/Gove in the role of PM would be an anathema to Remainers, Corbyn lacks credibility amongst his MP's and the Lib Dems, although saying the right things are starting from a very small position.

The Markets and business need stability and confidence restored as quickly as possible yet this can't be achieved for some time given the processes of re-election and negotiating our exit.Therefore expect panic and confusion and huge volatility across society... no one needs to project this... wake up, it's here.

 

[BadFish]

What are the 3 options? I assume resign is one ?

1.Ignore the referendum and carry on as normal,
2.Accept the referendum, take the leadership and move forward
3. go for another referendum with or without renegotiating terms.

 

[The Clamp]

There are normal working families who have lost out big time on this referendum result. Yet again, exactly the people the leavers claim to want to protect end up getting shafted because voters don't do enough research.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Some parties may decide to use this election to offer a clear choice on Brexit; if the mood of the currently has significantly changed because of broken promises etc , this result should reflect it. If not, remain supporters like me should just accept it and do what we can to make sure that the country that emerges from this is the one we want. .

There is no way we can have a general election on the basis of whether we want to be in the EU or out. That would be completely farcical as that is just what the referendum has decided. Imagine the Scots having their leave referendum and voting for independence and then having an election where parties fought on the basis of being part of the union?

Ridiculous.

No, the process has started and there is no way we will be involved again with the EU in its current form.

 

[Captain Sensible]

I am still so angry about it. I can't believe the stupidity and idiocy on a momentous scale has happened. We sleepwalked into this and now the UK is the village idiot of Europe. Where do we go from here? It's just all downhill. You want to be in the single market? Then back to square one but only worse because we now have no say and still have all the issues the leavers don't like. You want to stop free movement? Then bye bye common market and a tariff hike on food for example amongst everything else. The other 27 states set the terms of leaving, not the UK. I am still wondering why this was never communicated. The whole thing is an irresponsible leap off a cliff. A year ago Cameron's Torys were elected to steady the ship through tough waters with a spiralling national debt, a year later we've torn all that up and set a self destruct course. You couldn't make it up!!

 

[Murray 17]

So that could be down to how much membership of the EU has an affect on you.

Lower wages for manual workers like builders and plumbers because of the influx of cheaper foreign labour, lower wages for shop staff and admin clerks again due to cheap labour.

Coupled with ever increasing costs of living due to the continual increases in the cost to rent or buy housing, EU membership and this free movement would have pushed people towards the poverty line.

The richer areas (with high house prices like central London which voted remain) are likely to be too expensive for this cheap labour to move into and therefore have less effect on the poeple living there)

The degree educated individuals are likely to be in a more skilled profession and face less competition for their job from this cheap labour, but even if they did, the likely effect on their wage is that it wouldn't be enough of a decrease to force them to struggle to make ends meet. They are also more likely to have jobs or even just the disposable income that means that they are more likely to go to European countries (and more often) and benefit from the free movement rules

It's possibly the effect on their lives that dictate their view of being in the EU and possibly helps to explain why the poorer areas of the UK voted for leave

Absolutely.

Add to that the fact that most are unable to afford private medical insurance in order to avoid NHS queues and waiting lists. Also, most are unable to afford private education to avoid being sent to schools that they don't want.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

This is really funny. Evans as an economist knows it can be reduced but would have to vault face on his politics to take the numpty on so looses his shit instead.

Volte-face. Thought you were more intelligent than anyone else on here, Brown Owl?