[Politics] Brexit

[heathgate]

The war finished 70 years ago how long before its ok to move on and not hold a grudge against the Germans and other Axis powers.

See there you go.... his point was not about who the enemy was, it was about defending the nation, defending a way of life.....

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[Finchley Seagull]

Not as much bravery as was on display at Armed Forces Day today.But don't suppose many Remainers even noticed it was on.They regard patriotism as bigotry!

What a load of rubbish. You can be patriotic without being xenophobic. Sadly many people in this country fail to do it

 

[Seagull58]

The government were in favour of remain and that obviously helps. This was for a couple of months. Right wing tabloids like the Mail and Sun have been constantly sniping at the EU for 20/30 years.

Personally, I don't think there should have been a referendum. If the Tories had any strength, they would have let their MPs leave to go to UKIP and then called an election saying they are standing on the basis of staying in the EU. If UKIP wanted to leave, they need to get a majority in parliament like all parties do if they want to get their way. Surely the government is better placed to know the facts about the EU than the people of the UK who have to work their way through the arguments and lies.

Brown promised a referendum in his manifesto and reneged on it. Cameron promised a referendum in his manifesto and delivered on the promise.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

It's not a pledge too far, it's complete rubbish. Even before the final result was confirmed, it was admitted. I've never seen a campaign promise broken so quickly. The lies and scaremongering of leave were an absolute disgrace yet got little mention while remain were berated for theirs. This is why I believe (and I'm not alone) that it wasn't a fair campaign.

Is wasn't a fair campaign? weren't the Remain campaign allowed to campaign to stay or were they tied up in a room somewhere until after the referendum or something similar to prevent the from running a more effective campaign?

Don't bleat that it wasn't fair because the Leave campaign was more effective and won the vote. If you want to blame anyone, blame those who were running the Remain campaign because they failed to capture the public mood and support and they failed to convince enough people to go out and vote remain.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

This is probably the most intensely deluded thing I've read during this whole brexit fallout and that's really saying something. The £ rallied nowhere mate and that's just for starters. Brexit is a mistake of gigantic proportions, the whole world knows it, bar 52% of the turnout on Thursday and a couple of right wing fruitcake politicians from America. When trump and Palin support your decision making, you know you've done ****ed up.

52% WERE RIGHT stop sulking
regards
DR

 

[Finchley Seagull]

you had that when you failed to win
regards
DR

To be honest, judging by your views on here, you seem to be exactly the bigoted type of person that many of the leave supporters are trying to avoid talking about. So thanks

 

[Soulman]

“If there’s one group that has really gained from Europe, it’s farmers,” said Dr Rickard, an independent economist to the farming and food industries.

Yeah ok, one man, one INDEPENDENT, i take it this chap is not a farmer......against REAL farmers....

Farmers Weekly poll backed Brexit

Polls carried out by Farmers Weekly have consistently shown strong farmer support for the “leave” campaign. In April, an exclusive Farmers Weekly poll of 577 farmers found 58% said they wanted to leave, while just 31% said they wanted the UK to remain in the trade bloc.

Delighted Derbyshire farmer Michael Seals of the Farmers for Britain campaign, which lobbied for the UK to leave the EU, said: “The country has voted for change – and the farming industry has clearly indicated it wants change.

“We must now all work together, government and industry representatives, to start with a blank sheet of paper to find a new and better way of supporting this industry to enable it to go forward.”

The Country Land & Business Association (CLA), which represents 33,000 landowners in England and Wales, said a Brexit would “bring challenges, but also significant opportunities”.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

you keep telling yourself that. I'm assuming you voted for the farmers and fishermen who will now no longer get their EU grants, or for the £350m which we'll be spending on the NHS, a claim which Farage has already rubbished, or our steel industry, much of which is owned by Indian companies, or freedom of speech which is in no way affected by this debate, or for the sovereignty which we have always had (a point lost on this thread by all leave voters who clearly don't understand the concept of sovereignty).

Ultimately, you voted based on ignorance, poor information, racism and because you want to shut the rest of the world out, and if you'd done any research into any of the issues prior to the referendum, you wouldn't be subjecting intelligent people to the crap that you've just written.

Quite frankly, it's shit like this that has made the intelligent elements of our country disgusted to be British. This is a victory for ignorance, fascism, racism and shown Britain's desire for survival over prosperity. That isn't a country that anyone with half a brain wants to live in for the next 40 years. So no, they haven't voted for their children and grandchildren, they've voted for themselves. And if you and half of the country want to stand next to the Farages and Johnsons and Goves of this world, then that shows what a pathetic, disgusting nation we really have become.

Astonishingly patronising. There are a considerable number of people on the left of British politics who voted Leave. Many left wing MPs voted Leave. Are they racist ? Are they disgusting ? Are they ignorant blah blah... I am incredibly insulted that my progressive rationale for leaving the EU is dismissed in this way. I want a more equal society and voted to leave a structure that sucks in capital and labour that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. Yes I did vote for my children and grandchildren so that they are not crushed with low wages and high rents for the rest of their lives and I am willing to make a sacrifice on house prices for the good of future generations. I was able to debate this in a friendly way with many Remainers on here before the vote and I understand their point of view but I disagree. Now I open this thread and read my views dismissed in an aggressive and almost fascist manner. Truly shocking.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Here's just one example of how it's already unraveling for the leavers, admitting that claims made during the campaign can't be realised. Your new little England is built on a pack of fifthy lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ment-of-labour-might-not-end-video?CMP=twt_gu

There are many more... The Millions of Turks coming to the UK, the so called euro army, the 350 million extra to the NHS. Lies. Lies, lies.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Is wasn't a fair campaign? weren't the Remain campaign allowed to campaign to stay or were they tied up in a room somewhere until after the referendum or something similar to prevent the from running a more effective campaign?

Don't bleat that it wasn't fair because the Leave campaign was more effective and won the vote. If you want to blame anyone, blame those who were running the Remain campaign because they failed to capture the public mood and support and they failed to convince enough people to go out and vote remain.

I do blame them. However, even if they had run the best campaign ever, the tabloid press would have backed leave. The irony of people who read the Sun wanting to leave to regain their sovereignty is amusing when the Sun is owned by an Australian/American

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

To be honest, judging by your views on here, you seem to be exactly the bigoted type of person that many of the leave supporters are trying to avoid talking about. So thanks

YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM ,THIS COUNTRY WAS GOING TO BE THE RUBBISH TIP OF THE EU IN THE LONG TERM, NOW THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND IT'S A BITTER PILL FOR YOUR TYPES TO SWALLOW
regards
DR

 

[Sam Ovett]

You little Englanders will have to answer for the mess this country is going to be in for the foreseeable future - that you are STILL harking back to WW2 70 years later shows you are stuck in the past where a majority of us were looking to the future. The youth of today will not forgive what you fools have done

Ah yes, the oh so tolerant, progressive youth...well, until something doesn't go their way.

'Old people shouldn't be allowed to vote'
'You should be THIS smart to vote'

I thought ageism and classism was to be frowned upon?

It's not a democracy unless you vote what they want.

 

[Finchley Seagull]

Astonishingly patronising. There are a considerable number of people on the left of British politics who voted Leave. Many left wing MPs voted Leave. Are they racist ? Are they disgusting ? Are they ignorant blah blah... I am incredibly insulted that my progressive rationale for leaving the EU is dismissed in this way. I want a more equal society and voted to leave a structure that sucks in capital and labour that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. Yes I did vote for my children and grandchildren so that they are not crushed with low wages and high rents for the rest of their lives and I am willing to make a sacrifice on house prices for the good of future generations. I was able to debate this in a friendly way with many Remainers on here before the vote and I understand their point of view but I disagree. Now I open this thread and read my views dismissed in an aggressive and almost fascist manner. Truly shocking.

In fairness, this post was in reply to a load of drivel which was equally aggressive if you read the whole thread.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

The government were in favour of remain and that obviously helps. This was for a couple of months. Right wing tabloids like the Mail and Sun have been constantly sniping at the EU for 20/30 years.

Personally, I don't think there should have been a referendum. If the Tories had any strength, they would have let their MPs leave to go to UKIP and then called an election saying they are standing on the basis of staying in the EU. If UKIP wanted to leave, they need to get a majority in parliament like all parties do if they want to get their way. Surely the government is better placed to know the facts about the EU than the people of the UK who have to work their way through the arguments and lies.

Around 32 million voters thought it worthwhile enough to vote in the referendum. The result has been a majority voting for change. So again worthwhile

I suppose the only time a vote like this (on any subject) could be described as unneeded would be if the whole population were all wanting to keep things unchanged and once a vote finally happened, the result was a 100% vote for what the population wanted in the 1st place

 

[Notters]

Quite an ill informed first post given that people who actually fought in and lived through the war were shown mostly to be very much in favour of Remain. They recognised that stability and prosperity for the whole of Europe was a good thing.

 

[lawros left foot]

Not as much bravery as was on display at Armed Forces Day today.But don't suppose many Remainers even noticed it was on.They regard patriotism as bigotry!

Just a question, two professors, have you served in the Armed Forces? I know for a fact Dave in Prague, a prominent remain poster on here is ex forces, and a Falkland vet, I'm ex forces with 15 years service, including two war zones, so don't you dare to question my patriotism.

Show us your medals

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

astonishingly patronising. There are a considerable number of people on the left of british politics who voted leave. Many left wing mps voted leave. Are they racist ? Are they disgusting ? Are they ignorant blah blah... I am incredibly insulted that my progressive rationale for leaving the eu is dismissed in this way. I want a more equal society and voted to leave a structure that sucks in capital and labour that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer. Yes i did vote for my children and grandchildren so that they are not crushed with low wages and high rents for the rest of their lives and i am willing to make a sacrifice on house prices for the good of future generations. I was able to debate this in a friendly way with many remainers on here before the vote and i understand their point of view but i disagree. Now i open this thread and read my views dismissed in an aggressive and almost fascist manner. Truly shocking.

he's a racist............ doesn't like his country man
regards
DR

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

 

[Finchley Seagull]

YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUTH THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM ,THIS COUNTRY WAS GOING TO BE THE RUBBISH TIP OF THE EU IN THE LONG TERM, NOW THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND IT'S A BITTER PILL FOR YOUR TYPES TO SWALLOW
regards
DR

Typing in capitals always shows you to be rational. Thanks

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Quite an ill informed first post given that people who actually fought in and lived through the war were shown mostly to be very much in favour of Remain. They recognised that stability and prosperity for the whole of Europe was a good thing.

please !!!!..................are you a comedian
regards
DR