[Politics] Brexit

[heathgate]

Would you still be remain if Turkey joined the EU in the next ten years? Or does uncontrolled immigration not bother you?

And also, to house all the new migrants from Turkey etc I assume more green land would be concreted over at a faster rate..are you happy with that as well?

Do you think our infrastructure cope?
NHS, train system, London underground etc etc

And would you be happy with a Muslim majority in the UK?

I'm not saying it will happen...

And I haven't decided which way I am voting yet

....and even now you take your life in your hands trying to drive anywhere in the country on a sunny friday afternoon, ... I dont recall there being any plans to build any new motorways..... the nimby liberal voice in this country would never allow it.

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[Wrong-Direction]

I realise that polling voters before a referendum is a rather inexact science but given the following:-

73% of 18-29 year olds want to stay
63% of over 60's want to leave

70% with degree level education want to stay
64% of people achieving an educational maximum of GCSE level want to leave

63% of Times readers want to stay
78% of Daily Mail readers want to leave

67% of employed people want to stay
73% of unemployed people want to leave,

aren't we in danger of hamstringing our future welfare and prosperity through the wishes of a lot of dim, unproductive, old people who won't be around for much longer?

Lol I worry there's some truth in this

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[5ways]

Would you still be remain if Turkey joined the EU in the next ten years? Or does uncontrolled immigration not bother you?

And also, to house all the new migrants from Turkey etc I assume more green land would be concreted over at a faster rate..are you happy with that as well?

Do you think our infrastructure cope?
NHS, train system, London underground etc etc

And would you be happy with a Muslim majority in the UK?

I'm not saying it will happen...

And I haven't decided which way I am voting yet

Turkey has been an accession member-state since 1987. Since then many countries have applied and joined the EU. Turkey has taken one step out of 34 towards membership. These chapters of reforms are on all sorts of areas and the one they've ticked off relates to scientific research. That's great but there are also many chapters on democracy and human rights. Turkey has not advanced on these but has actually gone backwards and become more autocratic.

The pace of reform means that Turkey will join the EU shortly before the year 3000. It is simply not going to happen. Further to this every single country has to then approve Turkish membership. Would Hungary? Doubtful. Would Poland? Good luck. Would Cyprus...bluntly no.

It is a scare story. Turkey joining the EU is not on realistically on the table.

 

[5ways]

I realise that polling voters before a referendum is a rather inexact science but given the following:-

73% of 18-29 year olds want to stay
63% of over 60's want to leave

70% with degree level education want to stay
64% of people achieving an educational maximum of GCSE level want to leave

63% of Times readers want to stay
78% of Daily Mail readers want to leave

67% of employed people want to stay
73% of unemployed people want to leave,

aren't we in danger of hamstringing our future welfare and prosperity through the wishes of a lot of dim, unproductive, old people who won't be around for much longer?

I don't think you win an argument by calling the other side dim. It won't stop them voting. The leaders of Leave are all very educated and rich. It is those on the lowest rungs who will suffer most from a Brexit induced recession, who rely most on public services. Remember the IFS said brexit was equivalent to two years of austerity. It is those who are most vulnerable in society who are at greatest risk from Brexit.

 

[drew]

The girl is 14 years old she has married her 20 year old cousin. It has everything to do with the EU, because it highlights the vast gap in cultural differences because of religion that this migration brings. It is just completely wrong.

Rubbish. Brexiters bang on about sovereignty yet here you are decrying the sovereignty of another country and their laws, namely Syria. I don't agree that someone of that age should be able to get married and maybe the higher court in Germany will rule in that way.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I realise that polling voters before a referendum is a rather inexact science but given the following:-

73% of 18-29 year olds want to stay
63% of over 60's want to leave

70% with degree level education want to stay
64% of people achieving an educational maximum of GCSE level want to leave

63% of Times readers want to stay
78% of Daily Mail readers want to leave

67% of employed people want to stay
73% of unemployed people want to leave,

aren't we in danger of hamstringing our future welfare and prosperity through the wishes of a lot of dim, unproductive, old people who won't be around for much longer?

Rather an elitist, ruthless, prejudiced point to make ...... typical Socialist.

 

[drew]

Not sure if this has been posted before but quite amusing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...guide-to-britains-greatest-enemy-the-experts/

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Another patronising remark from the Remain side.

Keep it up.

How clever of you to notice.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I don't think you win an argument by calling the other side dim. It won't stop them voting. The leaders of Leave are all very educated and rich. It is those on the lowest rungs who will suffer most from a Brexit induced recession, who rely most on public services. Remember the IFS said brexit was equivalent to two years of austerity. It is those who are most vulnerable in society who are at greatest risk from Brexit.

Didn't you say the Brexit side glory in Ignorance?

Perhaps those on the 'lowest rungs' including low/semi workers and the unemployed experience first hand the joys of being exposed to mass immigration flooding the jobs market, putting strains on services where they live so have a better grasp of the facts than people telling them everything is fine, keep em coming.

 

[portslade seagull]

Turkey will not join the EU in the next 10 years. We're not the only EU country concerned at the scenario of Turkey joining the EU. It wont happen for decades if ever. Sure, it's a candidate country but a long way off ever joining and Angela Merkel herself once said realistically the best it could ever expect was privileged partner status, rather than full membership.

If we were to leave The EU, we'll have no veto or say on whether Turkey or anyone else joins the EU in the future. We'd have no say on whether restrictions would apply in regards to free movement of future new EU members. If we leave the EU we'll still have free movement of EU citizens as we will be in The EEA to continue access to the single market.

Looking at the BBC website it will be done by stealth as Diplomats advise visa free movement for Special Turkish Passport Holders once the vote is over

 

[Soulman]

1) Britain would continue trading with the EU for the very simple reason that it benefits both parties. German car makers certainly won't tolerate vindictive tariffs from the EU, no one in Europe would. But you don't even need trade agreements, look how much trade we do with China and the US. It's cobblers. 2) The EU's secret TTIP plan is a very serious threat to this country. If this is signed, US corporations can and will sue our government for any policy that limits their profit making, including in the NHS and education. I dont see how anyone can support TTIP, and I don't see how anyone can oppose TTIP and want to stay in the EU. We need to Leave. (Kate Hoey, Labour MP)

 

[Deleted member 22389]

1) Britain would continue trading with the EU for the very simple reason that it benefits both parties. German car makers certainly won't tolerate vindictive tariffs from the EU, no one in Europe would. But you don't even need trade agreements, look how much trade we do with China and the US. It's cobblers. 2) The EU's secret TTIP plan is a very serious threat to this country. If this is signed, US corporations can and will sue our government for any policy that limits their profit making, including in the NHS and education. I dont see how anyone can support TTIP, and I don't see how anyone can oppose TTIP and want to stay in the EU. We need to Leave. (Kate Hoey, Labour MP)

Exactly.

 

[Two Professors]

Scaremongering from the Leave mongs...

What time do you take your medication?

 

[Two Professors]

Exactly. It's not as though we don't have enough already!

Ah,8 0'clock

 

[Soulman]

Scaremongering from the Leave mongs...

This coming from a person that starts banal look at me threads, the latest being about "liking the smell of your own farts".

 

[portslade seagull]

This coming from a person that starts banal look at me threads, the latest being about "liking the smell of your own farts".

Maybe that's what the remain Campaign now smells off, well the follow thru anyway. Scare story tactics part 1,2,3,4,5,6,73,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 etc etc have all seemingly failed

 

[Wrong-Direction]

This whole farce is a great way of making politicians look like they're actually doing something/ working for once!

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[Swillis]

People generally couldnt give a monkeys about how staying in Europe will affect others, they have been sucked in by the talk of how it will change how much money they have.
We are a rich country, we spend billions on European goods and have the second highest online spend per head in the world. Would Europe really stop wanting to take our money, of course not and lets be honest business will have the final say.
I know we will vote to remain, but then again I dont think anyone sees the impact of being in Europe as much as we do in the cities. Housing is screwed, healthcare is screwed and so is the schooling. Only when it starts drifting further out will people realise, by then it will be to late.

 

[Swillis]

Scaremongering from the Leave mongs...

If you are voting remain then that is the biggest reason to vote leave that there is.

 

[portslade seagull]

Still don't really get how MP's from the same parties have taken sides and said what has been reported over the last few weeks about each other. Think we are being played for pawns in some government playground game