[Politics] Brexit

[brighton fella]

Whoosh. There you go, I'll say it for you. Your comment has gone completely over my head!!!

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?[/QUOTE

Are you serious, you really don't understand do you..

And folk like you are entitled to vote, god f*cking help us.

 

[heathgate]

The Remainers have really got their knickers in a twist about these mystical, hitherto unknown economic implications..... please stand by for a shock announcement...... ordinary Joe Bloggs on the street ( probably the vast majority).... are going to vote on 1) How much they perceive we pay into the EU... 2) The dreaded migration issue ... and 3) the democracy issue....

If you think that vast swathes of middle and lower England are sitting with calculators mulling over relative before and after growth and trade figures as a way of deciding where to put their cross in a few weeks... you are sadly delusional.

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[Herr Tubthumper]

Brilliant article. All remainers should read it (but they probably won't).

Too long. Can't be arsed.

 

[brighton fella]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707

Main difference being that there's hardly any difference ethnically between both countries.. .

 

[One Love]

Oddly.. and I am not a Ukip supporter at all, but Neil Hamilton did a decent job alongside Labour's Frank Field in support of Brexit last night on question time.

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Wow, I thought they were awful.

 

[Scotchegg]

"Plebs like you and me"

Speak for yourself mate. 'kinell.

 

[pb21]

Brilliant article. All remainers should read it (but they probably won't).

Its a well written article, but a very similar one could written from the perspective of remain is best because of everything we don't know what will happen in the future if we leave; such as if we leave that will start the collapse of the EU which will lead to WW3 playing out, the apocalypse and everyones death, or leaving the EU running out of energy and going bankrupt.

Its essentially just scaremongering.

 

[ofco8]

The other reason and main reason they want to stay in the EU is because it's easy cheap labour.

This. Big business leaders are worried they will have to pay higher wages if we leave. Shock, horror, it will mean their exorbitant salaries and bonuses may be reduced.
And I most definitely do not have left leaning or socialist views.

 

[ofco8]

So, logically, once we leave the EU the cost of labour will go up. This is NOT a good thing, by the way. It will NOT create more jobs or wealth, in fact it will have the opposite effect, as the costs of UK businesses will increase and we will become less competitive. There are two important issues here:

1. Where will the labour come from for the jobs which Brits plainly don't want to do? When all the EU nationals go home, who will do the low paid work? Currently my business (and our associated businesses) cannot recruit enough staff - we are having to re-implement recruitment drives in Eastern Europe that we stopped three or four years ago. We are close to full employment!

2. The UK is an advanced economy. We should be welcoming low-skilled workers from overseas, and focussing our efforts on developing and training our own nationals to do the value-added jobs which generate wealth. This is the current plan. However, the Vote Leave campaign is proposing to STOP low-skilled immigrants from the rest of the EU, and introduce a points-based system to allow only higher-skilled workers in. This is the precise opposite of what we should be doing. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious!

Cheap foreign labour has depressed the incomes of our own people. Fact. Except of course those on the board of directors.

 

[5ways]

Cheap foreign labour has depressed the incomes of our own people. Fact. Except of course those on the board of directors.

Not a fact, in fact untrue http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

 

[Maldini]

So, logically, once we leave the EU the cost of labour will go up. This is NOT a good thing, by the way. It will NOT create more jobs or wealth, in fact it will have the opposite effect, as the costs of UK businesses will increase and we will become less competitive. There are two important issues here:

1. Where will the labour come from for the jobs which Brits plainly don't want to do? When all the EU nationals go home, who will do the low paid work? Currently my business (and our associated businesses) cannot recruit enough staff - we are having to re-implement recruitment drives in Eastern Europe that we stopped three or four years ago. We are close to full employment!

2. The UK is an advanced economy. We should be welcoming low-skilled workers from overseas, and focussing our efforts on developing and training our own nationals to do the value-added jobs which generate wealth. This is the current plan. However, the Vote Leave campaign is proposing to STOP low-skilled immigrants from the rest of the EU, and introduce a points-based system to allow only higher-skilled workers in. This is the precise opposite of what we should be doing. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious!

Regards jobs Brits don't want to do,not so long ago we did them all however wages and conditions decreased because cheap easy foreign labour became available and business men got lazy.If we left they would have to work at making their jobs attractive again. I'm all for allowing in skilled people if we need them.A points system is a great idea.However it would be better to train our own because as with nurses if skilled workers are easy to find abroad then we don't train our own.

The bottom line for you is the economy which you are clearly obsessed about and care little about our ability to cope with mass migration.That's def not funny.

 

[Bladders]

Too long. Can't be arsed.

Better off with you head buried as per usual

 

[Two Professors]

'Boo hoo hoo,I can't get enough really low-paid workers in quick enough to fill all the crappy jobs I've got on offer.Will the lovely EU miracle workers organise a treaty with the Time Lords so I can get some slaves in from the days when people knew their place'.

That was really funny seeing the audience on Sky laughing at Cameron-wonder if a sitting PM has ever been de-selected?

 

[Soulman]

Not a fact, in fact untrue http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

Really, as i also stated on another of your posts where you also stated that our incomes had not been affected by foreign labour....... i ask you again have you any contact or any idea about incomes in the Construction Industry to name one, i very much doubt it otherwise you would not diss the statement...... you are utterly clueless.

 

[Soulman]

Better off with you head buried as per usual

Not sure why you bother with him.

 

[pastafarian]

2. The UK is an advanced economy. We should be welcoming low-skilled workers from overseas, and focussing our efforts on developing and training our own nationals to do the value-added jobs which generate wealth. This is the current plan. However, the Vote Leave campaign is proposing to STOP low-skilled immigrants from the rest of the EU, and introduce a points-based system to allow only higher-skilled workers in. This is the precise opposite of what we should be doing. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious!

extending the current points based tier system on non eu to include eu nationals is the fairest non discriminatory system.

Immigration numbers are too high.
how do you propose reducing the number of immigrants from the EU ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

He was correct about two things. What a mong. I feel for his wife and kids...if he has either.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

That was really funny seeing the audience on Sky laughing at Cameron-wonder if a sitting PM has ever been de-selected?

Thatcher?

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[Green Cross Code Man]

Had we had and EU 200 years ago we might not have had two world wars!

No, we'd have probably annihilated ourselves by now instead.

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[brighton fella]

It's fact that immigration has pushed down wages in this country but can anyone tell me why unemployment is at a all time high in so many southern european countries ?
The remain lot claim that immigration has many benefits to it.. ...i'm yet to see one.