[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

So, I think we've probably established without much doubt that JCFG and Wokeworrier are one and the same.

And now that we have, two things. Firstly, while it's amusingly incompetent, it has little to do with Brexit. So @WATFORD zero there's literally no need to mention it again.

It doesn't make what he posted to you any less valid. In fact, the only difference is that WZ's kept the same user ID since the Bear Pit peak and you and one other haven't.

Well I didn't

'The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about'

 

[Lever]

Here's a sensible debate if you have time to watch....

One comment on it.....
As a Brit reliant on homegrown commentary and media bias it was really refreshing to find a debate chaired by a well informed and unbiased reporter for a change. Thank you

 

[Baldseagull]

Here's a sensible debate if you have time to watch....

One comment on it.....
As a Brit reliant on homegrown commentary and media bias it was really refreshing to find a debate chaired by a well informed and unbiased reporter for a change. Thank you

I am always interested in what regulations they mean when they talk about de-regulation. He mentioned US-EU trade negotiations stalling over difference of regulation, I believe this is mostly in agriculture where much of the regulation concerns animal welfare and protections of the environment, as well as threats to human health.

 

[Wokeworrier]

The report you referenced mentioned "Greenfield" FDI specifically as being high growth since 2016, and this is what I attribute largely to the need for a UK subsidiary post Brexit.

Net FDI is not particularly useful in comparing the value of gaining £3B of yankee investment in buying Chelsea FC, to losing tax revenues from a company like Easy Jet and it's employees forever.

Attribute without any actual evidence. Care to provide any?

Net FDI and FDI in general contribute hundreds of thousands of jobs with the corresponding tax revenue. Remind me how many jobs and how much tax revenue in the UK was lost at Easy Jet because of Brexit?

So far, the responses to a report making some interesting points, and challenging forecasts often presented as gospel on this thread appear to consist of making stuff up or playing the man not the ball ...

 

[Lever]

Update....

 

[Baldseagull]

Attribute without any actual evidence. Care to provide any?

Net FDI and FDI in general contribute hundreds of thousands of jobs with the corresponding tax revenue. Remind me how many jobs and how much tax revenue in the UK was lost at Easy Jet because of Brexit?

So far, the responses to a report making some interesting points, and challenging forecasts often presented as gospel on this thread appear to consist of making stuff up or playing the man not the ball ...

Not hard evidence, not found any data set that will name the individual businesses, but someone shares my opinion and he seems to have a history of analysing FDI, you won't like the Title.

100 days since Brexit: The UK's self-inflicted wound

Brexit has caused inbound investment to dip in the UK. Will the country's Covid-19 vaccine rollout give it an advantage that will bring back the investors?

www.investmentmonitor.ai

Expansions: the most impacted type of FDI
Although project numbers of all three FDI types – new investment, expansions and mergers and acquisitions (M&A) – have fallen in the UK since the Brexit vote, the largest impact has been seen in expansions. Since 2016–17, the number of foreign companies expanding their UK operations has declined significantly. In 2019–20, only 504 expansion projects were recorded, compared with 822 in 2016–17, a 38.6% decline. Companies were understandably cautious regarding expanding in a market that had so many unanswered questions at the time and looked to explore other markets. European companies showed a particular reluctance to expand in the UK given that the terms of the exit agreement were unknown until December 2020.
Although new investments dipped in both 2017–18 and 2018–19, they did grow by 10.2% in 2019–20. This is potentially due to foreign companies wanting a domestic presence in the UK post-Brexit.
M&A was the least impacted area. Although the trend line for M&A deals is relatively flat, the initial Brexit shock was certainly felt as M&A deals declined by 15.1% in 2017–18. However, deal numbers increased by 7% and 1% in 2018–19 and 2019–20, respectively.

FDI in general v Easy Jet in particular is hardly a fair comparison, but in 2015 Easy Jet paid over £100M in taxes, I don't know what proportion of their 10,500 staff at the time were UK based for taxation purposes, but it will be less now for the smaller UK subsidiary.

I didn't see a lot of hard data in the article you think makes interesting points, statements like "FDI has held up well" are not data, pointless and 6 years too late for you to become interested in evidence and data.

 

[BadFish]

Not hard evidence, not found any data set that will name the individual businesses, but someone shares my opinion and he seems to have a history of analysing FDI, you won't like the Title.

100 days since Brexit: The UK's self-inflicted wound

Brexit has caused inbound investment to dip in the UK. Will the country's Covid-19 vaccine rollout give it an advantage that will bring back the investors?

www.investmentmonitor.ai

Expansions: the most impacted type of FDI
Although project numbers of all three FDI types – new investment, expansions and mergers and acquisitions (M&A) – have fallen in the UK since the Brexit vote, the largest impact has been seen in expansions. Since 2016–17, the number of foreign companies expanding their UK operations has declined significantly. In 2019–20, only 504 expansion projects were recorded, compared with 822 in 2016–17, a 38.6% decline. Companies were understandably cautious regarding expanding in a market that had so many unanswered questions at the time and looked to explore other markets. European companies showed a particular reluctance to expand in the UK given that the terms of the exit agreement were unknown until December 2020.
Although new investments dipped in both 2017–18 and 2018–19, they did grow by 10.2% in 2019–20. This is potentially due to foreign companies wanting a domestic presence in the UK post-Brexit.
M&A was the least impacted area. Although the trend line for M&A deals is relatively flat, the initial Brexit shock was certainly felt as M&A deals declined by 15.1% in 2017–18. However, deal numbers increased by 7% and 1% in 2018–19 and 2019–20, respectively.

FDI in general v Easy Jet in particular is hardly a fair comparison, but in 2015 Easy Jet paid over £100M in taxes, I don't know what proportion of their 10,500 staff at the time were UK based for taxation purposes, but it will be less now for the smaller UK subsidiary.

I didn't see a lot of hard data in the article you think makes interesting points, statements like "FDI has held up well" are not data, pointless and 6 years too late for you to become interested in evidence and data.

Easy to throw away ones habits when clutching at straws.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Not hard evidence, not found any data set that will name the individual businesses, but someone shares my opinion and he seems to have a history of analysing FDI, you won't like the Title.

100 days since Brexit: The UK's self-inflicted wound

Brexit has caused inbound investment to dip in the UK. Will the country's Covid-19 vaccine rollout give it an advantage that will bring back the investors?

www.investmentmonitor.ai

Expansions: the most impacted type of FDI
Although project numbers of all three FDI types – new investment, expansions and mergers and acquisitions (M&A) – have fallen in the UK since the Brexit vote, the largest impact has been seen in expansions. Since 2016–17, the number of foreign companies expanding their UK operations has declined significantly. In 2019–20, only 504 expansion projects were recorded, compared with 822 in 2016–17, a 38.6% decline. Companies were understandably cautious regarding expanding in a market that had so many unanswered questions at the time and looked to explore other markets. European companies showed a particular reluctance to expand in the UK given that the terms of the exit agreement were unknown until December 2020.
Although new investments dipped in both 2017–18 and 2018–19, they did grow by 10.2% in 2019–20. This is potentially due to foreign companies wanting a domestic presence in the UK post-Brexit.
M&A was the least impacted area. Although the trend line for M&A deals is relatively flat, the initial Brexit shock was certainly felt as M&A deals declined by 15.1% in 2017–18. However, deal numbers increased by 7% and 1% in 2018–19 and 2019–20, respectively.

FDI in general v Easy Jet in particular is hardly a fair comparison, but in 2015 Easy Jet paid over £100M in taxes, I don't know what proportion of their 10,500 staff at the time were UK based for taxation purposes, but it will be less now for the smaller UK subsidiary.

I didn't see a lot of hard data in the article you think makes interesting points, statements like "FDI has held up well" are not data, pointless and 6 years too late for you to become interested in evidence and data.

No real evidence for any of your claims then.

You must have missed the numerous charts presenting hard data with follow on analysis in the investment section of the report. Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.

 

[The Clamp]

No real evidence for any of your claims then.

You must have missed the numerous charts presenting hard data with follow on analysis in the investment section of the report. Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.

No it hasn’t. Brexit was causing business problems and costing them money, causing many to close altogether, long before the pandemic or Ukraine invasion.

You’re just making stuff up now.

 

[Baldseagull]

No real evidence for any of your claims then.

You must have missed the numerous charts presenting hard data with follow on analysis in the investment section of the report. Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.

No, not no real Evidence, no hard evidence, but it can be inferred. Just as I have no hard evidence that you used to post under a different name, but it can be inferred from the similarities in your writing style, language, and delusions about Brexit.

The problem is not the charts, but what they infer from them, they bemoan statements made using the same graphs to show a fall in FDI for example, or which period of time they wish to use to use in comparison to claim growth, also they ignore that Brexit also damaged some parts of the EU economies, and don't like the hybrid Doppleganger modelling done by others, the reason seems to be that it provides numbers they don't like. The statements they make rely on rubbishing financial models and choosing the time frames for comparison selectively.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No real evidence for any of your claims then.

You must have missed the numerous charts presenting hard data with follow on analysis in the investment section of the report. Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.

There is an absolute avalanche of evidence hitting from every direction

And under two years ago, we actually left the protection of the EU and now have raging inflation, a recession, a cost of living crisis, staff shortages across NHS, Care, hospitality, agriculture, logistics etc, no solution to Northern Ireland, no Import processes in place, exactly as predicted would happen once we had actually left the single market and weren't operating under EU regulations.

Maybe, instead of just repeating the 'It's not all because of Brexit' mantra, you could actually highlight some of the benefits of Brexit that you have have now been claiming for 6 years.

Or you could continue to indulge in the same radicalised pro Brexit whataboutism that has become your final and only solution since the facts about Brexit have became clear and obvious

 

[Lever]

Here's the latest justified Brexit bashing....

 

[rogersix]

No real evidence for any of your claims then.

You must have missed the numerous charts presenting hard data with follow on analysis in the investment section of the report. Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.

keep typing, "radicalised", that's when you know you've won

 

[Lever]

keep typing, "radicalised", that's when you know you've won

 

[Lever]

It's rather ironic that a poster with such bigoted, entrenched and narrow political views as 'the bringer of truth' should be so preoccupied with 'radicalisation'.

Complete lack of self awareness there....

 

[Randy McNob]

There is an absolute avalanche of evidence hitting from every direction

And under two years ago, we actually left the protection of the EU and now have raging inflation, a recession, a cost of living crisis, staff shortages across NHS, Care, hospitality, agriculture, logistics etc, no solution to Northern Ireland, no Import processes in place, exactly as predicted would happen once we had actually left the single market and weren't operating under EU regulations.

Maybe, instead of just repeating the 'It's not all because of Brexit' mantra, you could actually highlight some of the benefits of Brexit that you have have now been claiming for 6 years.

Or you could continue to indulge in the same radicalised pro Brexit whataboutism that has become your final and only solution since the facts about Brexit have became clear and obvious

according to he government all the big problems we face are because of Vladimir Putin, so when you are feeding BP and Shell with tens of billions of your cash it's getting one over on Vlad. Reassuring even when you can't feed your family i'm sure

 

[Wokeworrier]

There is an absolute avalanche of evidence hitting from every direction

And under two years ago, we actually left the protection of the EU and now have raging inflation, a recession, a cost of living crisis, staff shortages across NHS, Care, hospitality, agriculture, logistics etc, no solution to Northern Ireland, no Import processes in place, exactly as predicted would happen once we had actually left the single market and weren't operating under EU regulations.

Maybe, instead of just repeating the 'It's not all because of Brexit' mantra, you could actually highlight some of the benefits of Brexit that you have have now been claiming for 6 years.

Or you could continue to indulge in the same radicalised pro Brexit whataboutism that has become your final and only solution since the facts about Brexit have became clear and obvious

Thanks for proving my point .. 'Six years ago we had lots of doomsday predictions (eg an imminent Brexit recession) ... it's taken a global pandemic and war in Europe before the radicalised pro EU disciples could begin to claim any of them are vaguely accurate.' ... your post clearly draws a direct causal link for all those problems with leaving the EU.

Meanwhile, Countries still enjoying the 'protection of the EU', in the single market operating under EU regulations have seen 'raging inflation' (actually higher than ours on average) ..

Inflation Rate - Countries - List | Europe

This page displays a table with actual values, consensus figures, forecasts, statistics and historical data charts for - Inflation Rate. This page provides values for Inflation Rate reported in several countries part of Europe. The table has current values for Inflation Rate, previous releases...

tradingeconomics.com

... widespread recession ...

Eurozone facing recession at the end of the year, Brussels says

High prices are here to stay, with the European Union predicting inflation will remain throughout 2023. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

.... significant labour shortages...

Labour shortages felt all over Europe

www.euractiv.com

I wonder why that is ..

Have a hat

 

[Lever]

Your brexit update

 

[Is it PotG?]

Your brexit update

 

[Lever]

What... no thumbs up?

Is this a New Year Resolution?

A better one might be to look at the facts revealed in the video and reflect... but that may prove to be a bit too much......