[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

I'd also like some explanation on my ability to travel abroad,

i would like to know what your concerns are re travelling abroad should there be a brexit

 

[Two Professors]

Are you saying one thousand million dollars is a trillion?

Well dress me up as a pig and call me Samantha,I must have caught Osborne disease.It's an unfortunate illness that causes sufferers to indulge in over-exageration by a factor of a thousand.When George told us we'd all be £4300 worse off in 2030,he actually meant 43p!
I hope all you economists are ready for Professor Patrick Minford's coming pronouncments on why we should leave the EU.He used to be a respected economist,but I'm sure you lot will declare him insane and in the Devil's pay.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Well dress me up as a pig and call me Samantha,I must have caught Osborne disease.It's an unfortunate illness that causes sufferers to indulge in over-exageration by a factor of a thousand.When George told us we'd all be £4300 worse off in 2030,he actually meant 43p!
I hope all you economists are ready for Professor Patrick Minford's coming pronouncments on why we should leave the EU.He used to be a respected economist,but I'm sure you lot will declare him insane and in the Devil's pay.

HOW VERY DARE YOU!! my missus is called Samantha and she is no PIG..... oink!

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

HOW VERY DARE YOU!! my missus is called Samantha and she is no PIG..... oink!

Edit: she can be a bit of a at times tho......

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Well dress me up as a pig and call me Samantha,I must have caught Osborne disease.It's an unfortunate illness that causes sufferers to indulge in over-exageration by a factor of a thousand.When George told us we'd all be £4300 worse off in 2030,he actually meant 43p!
I hope all you economists are ready for Professor Patrick Minford's coming pronouncments on why we should leave the EU.He used to be a respected economist,but I'm sure you lot will declare him insane and in the Devil's pay.

Are you saying that one thousand times 43p is £4300?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Are you saying that one thousand times 43p is £4300?

14 years of inflation will make it happen,honest..

 

[cunning fergus]

And that's the real problem with Brexit campaign. Someone raises some very good points and you dismiss them with a flippant comment. If someone in Brexit could address those concerns then you are more likely to persuade people to vote to leave.

That's all very well, however 10 years ago many free market capitalists, economists and politicians were predicting an eternal summer of perpetual growth and economic success. Our Chancellor at the time told us he had abolished the economic cycle of boom and bust.

So now the same construct of politicians, bankers, industrialists and their associates are telling us our economic fortunes are best served by staying in the EU.

When you are arguing against a default status quo it is always going to be difficult to provide hard contrarian facts, because they don't exist.

What we can do however is look at the performance of the EU and consider if it is working effectively, and the reality is that it is not, or certainly not for many people in the UK and across Europe.

Unemployment rates in poor EU countries amongst the young is 40%, and just one measure of the EU's failure. What is worse is that this failure is entirely self inflicted.

The question you pose about the lack of clarity about Brexit is fair, however remaining tied to an institution with the track record the EU has for failure is just as vague...........there is unknown down either path, the forecasts and sentiment that in means stability, peace and security is an illusion.

The question still comes back to the essence of whether we can deal with the unknown events that this country will face in future........if the EU had demonstrated competence to date I suspect many people who want Brexit would be faithful EU citizens.

So there you have it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

i would like to know what your concerns are re travelling abroad should there be a brexit

Ball-ache with visas?

 

[GT49er]

They are very,very good and fair points....genuine decent points..perhaps the Govenment should have spent more money on the leaflet they sent out?

Spent more time trying to explain rather than trying to convince us to remain.

Perhaps if they'd had more positive reasons for remaining, they would have done. However, due to the shortage of good news if we stay, they have had to resort to telling us how we'll all be paupers overnight (and probably out of work too) if Brexit happens.
You wouldn't believe it, until you consider the snouts in the trough factor.

 

[GT49er]

Ball-ache with visas?

Cut 'em off then. That's what Obama recommends us to do anyway..........................

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Perhaps if they'd had more positive reasons for remaining, they would have done. However, due to the shortage of good news if we stay, they have had to resort to telling us how we'll all be paupers overnight (and probably out of work too) if Brexit happens.
You wouldn't believe it, until you consider the snouts in the trough factor.

Meanwhile if we stay the same happens,it just takes longer,with very little opportunity to change when it does eventually happen.....this is a fabulous chance,not without risk and some hardship,before things eventually get better to stop things before it's too late..

 

[JC Footy Genius]

And how do you feel the public will benefit from us leaving? Is it increased house prices? A poorer exchange rate? Less job opportunities? Less income? Probably higher taxes? A worse level of services within the country? A poorer standard of goods? Higher goods prices?

Regaining the power to vote out the people who enact the policies/laws effecting our lives. Regaining full control over immigration. Decreasing demand on housing by limiting immigration. Boosting exports with a competitive pound? Increased job opportunities - see limiting immigration. Retaining some individual British identity - see immigration. Regaining the primacy of UK law so we can deport terrorist campaigners when we see fit. Regaining the power to trade with some of the biggest and fastest growing economies in the world - quality goods at cheaper prices? Improved services in the country as we can plan for the likely demand - see immigration. Regain a bit of self respect so we prove the public aren't going to be bullied manipulated by big business/political establishment. Regain a spine to show we aren't afraid of change and have faith in this country to succeed without being subservient to the EU political project ... just like the vast majority of countries around the world.

Benefits of staying in - we might be a bit better off in 10,20,30 years time if you believe forecasters with huge vested interests who can't even correctly predict 1 year in advance.

 

[Maldini]

I wonder how many facts and figures the Goverment are keeping from us now regards the EU.
We already know they have lied regarding immigration figures.
What else.

We will probably find out when it's too late.After June 23rd.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Regaining the power to vote out the people who enact the policies/laws effecting our lives. Regaining full control over immigration. Decreasing demand on housing by limiting immigration. Boosting exports with a competitive pound? Increased job opportunities - see limiting immigration. Retaining some individual British identity - see immigration. Regaining the primacy of UK law so we can deport terrorist campaigners when we see fit. Regaining the power to trade with some of the biggest and fastest growing economies in the world - quality goods at cheaper prices? Improved services in the country as we can plan for the likely demand - see immigration. Regain a bit of self respect so we prove the public aren't going to be bullied manipulated by big business/political establishment. Regain a spine to show we aren't afraid of change and have faith in this country to succeed without being subservient to the EU political project ... just like the vast majority of countries around the world.

Benefits of staying in - we might be a bit better off in 10,20,30 years time if you believe forecasters with huge vested interests who can't even correctly predict 1 year in advance.

Being cynical the UK 100 years from now could well be the Euro zones waste dump or holiday Island..... either way our future family tree won't have a say if we stay in.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

130 pages in and still the same arguments.

 

[Maldini]

And how do you feel the public will benefit from us leaving? Is it increased house prices? A poorer exchange rate? Less job opportunities? Less income? Probably higher taxes? A worse level of services within the country? A poorer standard of goods? Higher goods prices?

And you know this because?

You're living in fear.The only reason you want to remain is not because you think we are doing well in the EU because you and others in the Remain camp can't actually say what we are getting from being in the EU. You want to remain only because you fear leaving.

Last time I checked none of the EU countries are not doing that well economically.

Those that are in the Euro have years of bailing out the Greeks to look forward to.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

130 pages in and still the same arguments.

Brilliant and to be fair we have even had some cross party posters siding against there own political persuasion,i mean right now i would, if Labour were true to their history, be with the opposition if i was in parliament enjoying a beer with Corbyn and the likes....

Before Dave calls me back to the back benches

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Being cynical the UK 100 years from now could well be the Euro zones waste dump or holiday Island..... either way our future family tree won't have a say if we stay in.

Cynicism or realism? In the more than likely scenario of the UK remaining in the EU but outperforming most of the failing Eurozone countries two things will inevitably happen ... rapidly increasing membership fee and rapidly increased EU migration.

 

[GT49er]

And how do you feel the public will benefit from us leaving? Is it increased house prices?

In case you hadn't noticed, they 've been doing that at an alarming rate all through our membership of the EEC/EU; a £7.5K house in Worthing in 1974 cost £237.5K in 2013; that I know for an absolute fact - it was my parents' house, and no amount of EU or CMD spin can disprove that.

A poorer exchange rate?

That's what they're telling us. They don't know - it's their theory. Scaremongering.

Less job opportunities?

Scaremongering.

Less income?

Maybe a bit. But worth the price of freedom. Basically scaremongering. One new IPad a year less isn't really hardship.

Probably higher taxes?

Definitely. As specified by our Chancellor. Income tax could go up by 8% - that will be his way of punish us, the Great British public, if we thwart his plans. A threat.

A worse level of services within the country?

A guess. File under scaremongering.

A poorer standard of goods?

Another guess. File under scaremongering.

Higher goods prices?

Another guess. File under scaremongering.

Out! Let's go for it! Enjoy the ride!

 

[Soulman]

And that's the real problem with Brexit campaign. Someone raises some very good points and you dismiss them with a flippant comment. If someone in Brexit could address those concerns then you are more likely to persuade people to vote to leave.

This any good?

Record levels of mass migration from Europe damaging UK - leaked Government report says
MASS migration from Europe is damaging UK society and having a “disproportionate” impact, a leaked Government analysis has shown.
The Whitehall document shows EU citizens are overwhelmingly the biggest winners in the British jobs market, responsible for 75 per cent of the growth in employment.

Among the findings the analysis shows graduates from Eastern Europe are taking low-skilled jobs, topped up by “generous in-work benefits, without having contributed, from Day One”.

European Economic Area (EEA) nationals are scooping more than £3.1billion of the annual £27.2billion in-work benefits bill, the report says.

And they now represent around six per cent of the working-age population - but receive more than 10 per cent of the in-work benefit spend.

The Department for Work and Pensions’ document said such movement is hugely reducing chances of getting lower-skilled British citizens into work and making it hard to achieve “social policy objectives”.

Looking at migration levels, the document says there are “unprecedented” numbers of people entering the country - the equivalent of a “new Coventry” every year.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66...ope-damaging-UK-leaked-Government-report-says