[Politics] Brexit

[Randy McNob]

 

[Carbonara]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It's the economic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

 

[Carbonara]

Interesting post. How is the responsibility of other countries to "make Brexit work" ?

It's totally not their responsibility.You haven't understood.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It's certainly more Ppf/Bakerlite than the relative intellectual quality that is @Steve Foster's son's various accounts

 

[clapham_gull]

How was Brexit ever supposed to work when there are so many people who don't want it to work including people abroad?

Always someone else's fault isn't it. Yeah but yeah but no but.

Firstly it was foreigners running our country, now it's other foreigners.

I thought you'd taken back control ?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's totally not their responsibility.You haven't understood.

Oh, the irony.

 

[Eric the meek]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It'snomic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

I didn't realise you had the ability to read the minds of remainers. You Brexiteers are people with hidden shallows.

 

[Eric the meek]

Oh, the irony.

You've just whooshed him, manifested in him experiencing an ever-so-gentle breeze around his head.

 

[Baldseagull]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It's the economic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

And you can't go and live and work anywhere in Europe anymore either, or even just spend more than 3 months in 6 there as a tourist.
You have no more sovereignty than you had before. Did you vote for any of the shit we have now, or the last 2 PM's we have had? I have never had an MP that I voted for representing me in Westminster, but I did have MEP's that I voted for in the EU parliament.
I bet there is a lot less than 52% of the referendum participants that doesn't give a shit about the economics.

 

[Wardy's twin]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It's the economic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

Get real ... In a globalised world being a 'little englander' doesn't cut it. We have no real sovereignty, we are still retaining a lot of European laws, we still have to conform to international laws and our economic status (which drives ability for true sovereignty) is going down the pan. Get real accept it for what it was/is a big f*ckup.

 

[BadFish]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It's the economic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

What are your top ten laws that have been made by the British government since Brexit, that couldn't have been made while in the EU?

 

[BadFish]

Another day on the Brexit thread, and another reason why Brexiteers should not have voted leave. And still no sign of anything that would even slightly support their decision.

The few Brexiteers left clinging on by their fingertips, are now trying to diminish or dismiss the fruit and veg shortages. Meanwhile, there's hardly a vegetable to be seen in the Brexit households. Well, not on their plates anyway.

Yeah . . . but . . . sovereignty . . . the government* didn't do it right (quelle f***ing Surprise) . . . it's the remainers fault.



*This is the very same government that they voted to give more power (sovereignty) to and remove a layer of checks and balances over their duplicitous selfish scheming/ ineptitude (delete as appropriate).


To be fair the mental gymnastics required to come on here and defend the decision they made is such that it isn't too much of a surprise they can't muster much.

 

[BadFish]

An important lesson learned from Brexit and Trupism is that the desire to give the government a bloody nose may well result in something far far worse.

Look who has got the sovereignty you all voted for.

 

[Nobby]

How was Brexit ever supposed to work when there are so many people who don't want it to work including people abroad?

Just to clarify, you believe everyone in the UK is working hard to make Brexit work?

You’re being serious aren’t you
If you could tell me what I need to do
Looking forward to the sunny uplands

 

[Blues Guitarist]

Did you vote for any of the shit we have now, or the last 2 PM's we have had?.

The irony is that there was a vote for PM (albeit limited to members of the Conservative Party). Sunak lost, and now he’s PM. That’s democracy for you!

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Where is Ted Heath when you want him. The man with the vision that a Common Market would benefit all of us. Even Thatcher supported that concept. As kids, we all felt it made sense.
Why did no one have the foresight to form a tripartite agreement between Germany, France and UK. A Northern European powerhouse. No need for a dysfunctional body of nearly 30 countries, that is too unwieldy. Aaaah...the power of hindsight.
( German food inflation running higher than UK, due to rocketing energy costs )
Oh my Boycott and Edrich years ago.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

An update from me after the kind responses previously. This month we finally got approval from the EUSS.

18 months of absolute ball ache is now over.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Where is Ted Heath when you want him. The man with the vision that a Common Market would benefit all of us. Even Thatcher supported that concept. As kids, we all felt it made sense.
Why did no one have the foresight to form a tripartite agreement between Germany, France and UK. A Northern European powerhouse. No need for a dysfunctional body of nearly 30 countries, that is too unwieldy. Aaaah...the power of hindsight.
( German food inflation running higher than UK, due to rocketing energy costs )
Oh my Boycott and Edrich years ago.

So now you have actually got the Brexit that you campaigned and voted for, which parts are you most pleased with

 

[chickens]

People are assuming Brexit has not worked because we are not richer than the US.Actually a big part of Brexit worked from day one which is that we had our sovereignty back.That we can now make our own rules, that Europeans cannot come here to live just like that.It's the economic part of Brexit that people are saying hasn't worked.Considering Covid has screwed everything up for a long time , there is a war going on, energy prices have gone mad,and even Germany is looking at recession, where should we be economicallyGet real.
Remember that for alot of Brexiters the economics of it do not matter.

I’m sorry, but this is redefinition after the fact. The Brexit campaigned for and promised was an economic windfall that included a full Customs Union with the EU and was going to power our NHS and public services and make us the envy of the developed world.

I can promise you that there’s very little envy of us in the rest of Europe. There’s whole heaps of pity from our less belligerent and more collegiate neighbours, who have watched us aim at our feet and fire both barrels, but no envy.

This ‘sovereignty’ you speak of is, frankly, the right to be rude and belligerent to our neighbours. We had that right as part of the EU, we have it outside the EU. Of course, the EU is a huge trading bloc, can choose who it does less or more business with, and won’t accept goods of inferior quality that don’t meet its standards. We now have the right to make goods that don’t meet EU regulations with impunity, but who wants to buy them?

Are the same people who voted for Brexit also advocating the return of the British Empire? The only scenario in which we get to be rich, spoilt, sulky and throw our weight around, is if we control everything. We don’t. The world has moved on around us, and if you’re waiting for King Charles or any British government to reverse that, you’ll take your folly with you to the end.

There is no such thing as sovereignty in a modern connected global economy. We work with others to mutually agreed standards, or we wither and drift into obscurity.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

I was after an intelligent response for Brexit benefits, so, ChatGPT is was. Here is the response:

1. Sovereignty and control: One of the primary arguments for Brexit was the desire for the UK to regain control over its laws, borders, and trade policies. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to make independent decisions without being bound by EU regulations and directives. It was seen as an opportunity for the UK to exercise its sovereignty and shape its own destiny.
2. Trade agreements: Brexit supporters believed that leaving the EU would enable the UK to negotiate its own trade agreements with countries outside the EU, fostering new economic opportunities. By having the freedom to establish bilateral trade deals, the UK could potentially tailor agreements to its specific needs and priorities, rather than conforming to EU-wide trade policies.
3. Budget savings: The UK was one of the net contributors to the EU budget, meaning it paid more into the EU than it received in funding. Proponents of Brexit argued that leaving the EU would allow the UK to retain the funds it previously contributed and allocate them to domestic priorities, such as healthcare, education, infrastructure, or research and development.
4. Regulatory flexibility: As an EU member, the UK had to adhere to EU regulations, which some argued could stifle business innovation and flexibility. Brexit proponents believed that leaving the EU would grant the UK the ability to create regulations that better suited its own market conditions, potentially reducing red tape and bureaucracy.
5. Immigration control: Concerns about the impact of immigration on the UK's economy and society played a significant role in the Brexit debate. Leaving the EU was seen by some as a means to regain control over immigration policy, allowing the UK to set its own rules and requirements for entry, work permits, and residency.