[Politics] Brexit

[rigton70]

No that was the icing on the cake

You seem to miss the point I'm making.

 

[rigton70]

No silly.

That was the date the EU actually introduced all the rules we had been asking for the last 6 years and finally agreed in December 2020, hence all the problems for fishing, farming, financial services, exports etc etc .

It was also the date that we put in place our negotiated extensions to our 'preferred' NI protocol solution (because we hadn't had time in the previous 6 years to prepare) and decided we wouldn't introduce any Import controls because we hadn't had time to prepare for them either.

Then, 10 weeks after that date that it all came into effect, we decided to break International Law because we were unable to actually implement our 'preferred solution' to the Irish border issue and decided to also run without customs regulations for another year because we weren't prepared for them, Who could've guessed

I can see how it could be confusing because it's hard to keep up, isn't it ? At least now we've left, we can tell the exact figures the UK economy is shrinking by, month by month. Any accusations of 'fear mongering' would have to be fairly stupid, with the ONS figures published.

Yes very interesting.

Not too sure what this has to do with my comment above about us becoming poor over night.

 

[Randy McNob]

Yes very interesting.

Not too sure what this has to do with my comment above about us becoming poor over night.

It's the forum's fault you didn't get your point across?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It's the forum's fault you didn't get your point across?

More to do with the substandard comprehension skills of the people replying I would say. Speaking of limited cerebral functionality, you completely forgot to respond when I asked if you support . Well?

 

[WATFORD zero]

More to do with the substandard comprehension skills of the people replying I would say. Speaking of limited cerebral functionality, you completely forgot to respond when I asked if you support . Well?

And talking of unanswered questions, this question was put to you on the very next post a couple of minutes later, after your friend declined to answer it, and then you immediately disappeared off the thread.

Excellent. A Brexit supporter, and one I know likes to get this thread back on topic.

So maybe you could answer the question for your friend and tell us what you think is going to happen to address these issues over the next 12 months ?

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

Because the fact is that the deal has been negotiated, written, signed off and parts of it delivered, and we are all in this together.

So maybe just go for one of them and we can discuss your proposed solutions to that, and then work through them individually. It will be good to get some positive, 'can do' thinking on these

I figured that you probably disappeared because maybe you needed a couple of days to think of an answer, because it certainly wouldn't be

More to do with the substandard comprehension skills of the people replying I would say. Speaking of limited cerebral functionality, you completely forgot to respond when I asked if you support . Well?

that would be stopping you from answering, would it

Maybe you should try to lay off the insults

 

[A1X]

Wow, did all that happen on January 1st?

Of course it didn't. The problem is many in those areas were told that if they voted Leave then the problems those areas face would be magically fixed, when the reality is that the act of Leaving (and the subsequent massive economic hit) has made the process of improving their lot much harder (and indeed there is little indication that the Government they elected to "get Brexit done" and to "level up the UK" has little inclination to do anything about it anyway. It's always been an internal UK decision to not promote these areas (especially in the aftermath of the global economic downturn of the late noughties), and the issues will truly arise when those involved realise they've been conned.

 

[nicko31]

Yes very interesting.

Not too sure what this has to do with my comment above about us becoming poor over night.

The fact is a lot of British people keep making decisions against their own interests. Brexit is just a continuation of this process

You only have to look at Covid to see how it has imposed deep inequality in our society.

Until we have electoral reform that gives everyone a proper voice nothing will change

 

[Baldseagull]

https://twitter.com/jefferson_mfg/status/1372092023440818180?s=21
Born to win.
Go global Britain [emoji636]


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About this time last year they threatened to lay off about a 1000 staff, but they renegotiated contracts i.e. payed their workers less. JCB hire and fire according to their order book, it's good they have orders, but this comes after cutting the wages and closing a good pension scheme, for more than a thousand employees, and cutting 500 agency workers a year ago.

 

[Baker lite]

About this time last year they threatened to lay off about a 1000 staff, but they renegotiated contracts i.e. payed their workers less. JCB hire and fire according to their order book, it's good they have orders, but this comes after cutting the wages and closing a good pension scheme, for more than a thousand employees, and cutting 500 agency workers a year ago.

You should go and put your Morrisey LP on...
This is global Britain now, booming into the world [emoji1303][emoji636]


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[Baldseagull]

Years of whining and bickering, thousands of pointless posts and yet ...

If there was a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union, how would you vote?

I would vote to remain in/rejoin the European Union 39%

I would vote to leave/stay outside of the European Union 41%

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/zdhqxsts2n/Eurotrack_Feb21_Topline.pdf

The wording in Febuary was "I would vote to rejoin/stay out of, the European Union" which went 39%/41%.
The wording in November was "I would vote to remain in/leave, the European Union" which went 47%/38%
You do understand that they are different propositions, and that a majority would have voted to avoid this clusterfvck, if we could have, before it became a done deal, but being where we are, a small majority would rather not go through all that again. Give it a few more months at least, a lot of you guys haven't had a chance to really test drive and feel the quality of Brexit yet.#itsgonnabeshite

 

[Baldseagull]

You should go and put your Morrisey LP on...
This is global Britain now, booming into the world [emoji1303][emoji636]


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Tell me one country we have a trading arrangement with now, that is on better terms than an EU member? Booming into the world, announcing we will do trade deals with China, despite any human rights concerns, at the same time saying we need more Nukes because of the threat of ....China. We will look the other way if we can turn a quid, because we won't have the power not to, ****ing sovereignty delusions have made us weaker in the world. You keep joking mate, it's best for you if you don't really understand how much damage you have done to your country, it would be bad for your mental health.

 

[nicko31]

About this time last year they threatened to lay off about a 1000 staff, but they renegotiated contracts i.e. payed their workers less. JCB hire and fire according to their order book, it's good they have orders, but this comes after cutting the wages and closing a good pension scheme, for more than a thousand employees, and cutting 500 agency workers a year ago.

Yes it was May last year. I was gonna post but so few wins for Brexit I thought I'd like it go even if a faux one

BTW - Are the Bamford's still sending weekly Organic hammers to the Johnson family?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

The wording in Febuary was "I would vote to rejoin/stay out of, the European Union" which went 39%/41%.
The wording in November was "I would vote to remain in/leave, the European Union" which went 47%/38%
You do understand that they are different propositions, and that a majority would have voted to avoid this clusterfvck, if we could have, before it became a done deal, but being where we are, a small majority would rather not go through all that again. Give it a few more months at least, a lot of you guys haven't had a chance to really test drive and feel the quality of Brexit yet.#itsgonnabeshite

If we're just guessing about people's motivations then it might have something to do with the EU vaccine response shambles. Not that these polls really matter as the chances of you lot actually getting a rejoin referendum in your lifetimes is vanishingly small.

#eumembershiprip

 

[Baldseagull]

If we're just guessing about people's motivations then it might have something to do with the EU vaccine response shambles. Not that these polls really matter as the chances of you lot actually getting a rejoin referendum in your lifetimes is vanishingly small.

#eumembershiprip

The only way to avoid a push to rejoin is to get a lot closer than we are currently, i.e. take on a lot of the trappings of membership. Where we are now is not going to last long.

 

[Baker lite]

The only way to avoid a push to rejoin is to get a lot closer than we are currently, i.e. take on a lot of the trappings of membership. Where we are now is not going to last long.

There will be no EU in 10 years time, you do realise that don’t you?


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[WATFORD zero]

The only way to avoid a push to rejoin is to get a lot closer than we are currently, i.e. take on a lot of the trappings of membership. Where we are now is not going to last long.

Well obviously where we are now is completely unsustainable, and we can't just keep on pushing things back and breaking International law indefinitely as we need to 'Get Brexit done'. However, I believe that JCFG will have a plan (after all, he knew what he was voting for) and was going to tell us exactly what we should do about

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

albeit one point at a time

But unfortunately, he seems to get caught up on all sorts of hypothetical situations rather than the reality of resolving what is actually happening RIGHT NOW, and then forgets to tell us what should be done

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Well obviously where we are now is completely unsustainable, and we can't just keep on pushing things back and breaking International law indefinitely as we need to 'Get Brexit done'. However, I believe that JCFG will have a plan (after all, he knew what he was voting for) and was going to tell us exactly what we should do about

A Northern Ireland protocol which is unsustainable and we are having to break International law rather than implement the rest of what we agreed in the Deal.
A Fishing Industry that is on it's knees and won't survive the year in any significant form without changes to the Deal.
An enormous hit on any company that Exports that will not change unless there are changes to the Deal.
We keep pushing back Import controls because we don't have the infrastructure, systems or staff to implement them and to avoid the impact of Import controls on supply lines and supermarket shelves. But we will have to implement some sort of controls eventually unless we get changes to the Deal.
The Financial Services market is haemorrhaging into the EU, US and elsewhere. We either need to negotiate Equivalence with the EU or undertake massive de-regulation to compete with places like Singapore, because without changes, it will simply continue to pour out.

albeit one point at a time

But unfortunately, he seems to get caught up on all sorts of hypothetical situations rather than the reality of resolving what is actually happening RIGHT NOW, and then forgets to tell us what should be done

Given that we have seen our exports to the EU fall off a cliff (or more correctly been pushed over a cliff by the Brexit-crazed govt.) and that we seem to be waving imports through in order not to suffer shortages on the shelves at Tesco, goodness knows what our trade figures are going to look like for the first quarter. Theoretically this could - if bad enough - impact on the value of sterling and not in a good way. But let's wait and see.

 

[Baldseagull]

There will be no EU in 10 years time, you do realise that don’t you?


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Kidding yourself, the UK is in greater danger of breaking up than the EU. Though it is possible it won't be called the EU in ten years time, maybe the United States of Europe, or Federation of Europe, but it is not going to go away, however much you close your eyes and wish for it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

There will be no EU in 10 years time, you do realise that don’t you?

Kidding yourself, the UK is in greater danger of breaking up than the EU. Though it is possible it won't be called the EU in ten years time, maybe the United States of Europe, or Federation of Europe, but it is not going to go away, however much you close your eyes and wish for it.

Not even 24 hrs ago he was claiming 5 years

VDL is having a mare...
I’ve revised my prediction...the Bloc will fall within 5 years.

I do find it somewhat amusing the way Brexiteers were claiming it will be gone in 10 years as part of their Leave campaign 6 YEARS AGO

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Kidding yourself, the UK is in greater danger of breaking up than the EU. Though it is possible it won't be called the EU in ten years time, maybe the United States of Europe, or Federation of Europe, but it is not going to go away, however much you close your eyes and wish for it.

Maybe you should look at this then
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ChAC&usg=AOvVaw1Qrj8YI8CanwUdj7GwYu6s&ampcf=1
Regards
DF